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the Origin of Society

 
 
Reply Sun 8 Oct, 2006 05:43 pm
[CENTER]the Origin of Society[/CENTER]



[CENTER]from career freedom to market economy

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This essay does not discuss the conditions of how to run a market smoothly, but figure out that normal economy can not run or develop without career freedom.


[CENTER]the conditions of career ability and the kinds of society[/CENTER]


Why does human have to live in a way of society? Why doesn't human live in a way like a tiger in forest? Cause of civilization? Cause of the wisdom of human? "For man is by nature a political animal" ?
The essay of how to rebuild a mind gave me some clues to understand the origin of society.

For the purpose of psychological research, I suppose that all of minds have the same basic model but at the different states of model, though they live in the same environment. Then I derive from the assumption that there are conditions of converting for minds to convert from state to state. If conditions satisfied, minds can convert from person to person.
What are those conditions then? How to satisfy them?
My experience and the observation of others tell me many about these questions. Please visit the website to know more about my experience. http://philosophyofhumanslife.blogspot.com/2006/10/history-06-rebuilding-mind.html
I learned from my experiences and from my observations:
1. Although different people live in the same environment, and different people can receive the same information from the environment, information can not be noticed and be accepted equally. For different people have different needs, wishes and attitudes. The needs and wishes drive people and attitudes affect people to select relative facts to be known and to be accepted to satisfy the needs or wishes.
2. People eagerly seek those relative facts, and the relative facts are sensitive to them. When people receive those facts, they accept them with pleasure. It means those facts are driven by needs and wishes, approved by attitudes, and will be active in mind.
3. If facts can not enter mind, they can not work in mind. Those facts not relative to ones needs or wishes can not be noticed and be accepted into mind.
4. The needs and wishes inspire some imagination and raw ability.
5. The combination of facts accepted by mind and the imagination and raw ability can lead to the development of skills and abilities.
6. When people work for their own needs and wishes, they will not feel tired easily, for they are driven by their needs and wishes. If they are forced to stop their work, they will feel upset. The possibility of meeting their needs and wishes will fuel their passion, i.e. to make them work passionately. Orders in socialism nation can also drive people to work hard, but with fears, not with hope of meeting their own needs. They are two different properties of driving forces, one is to meet needs and wishes, the other is to escape from fears.
7. The people working under their own needs and wishes can get more knowledge, skills, abilities and get more qualified skills than those work under threats. I.e., more professional. If contest, the free people will be more competitive.
8. If people would be ordered to do any work as their masters want, they would even not become professional at all.
9. Professional work would lead to wonderful products.
10. But it is so difficult and ineffective to rebuild a mind.
11. If someone wants to enjoy a life with all of products professionally produced, he/she has to live in some relationship with others to avoid rebuilding his/her own mind. Such relationship is trade or cooperation. Trade is for exchanging products. Cooperation is for one product to be produced.
12. If career freedom and free trade are respected, the members can meet the needs of human at an advanced stage, i.e. man can live with high standard in society than living alone like a tiger, and the social freedom can lead to the real satisfying while socialism society can only meet the basic needs of life with fears, or can not meet the needs of human really. Socialism society can not reach the same advanced stage either, for it is against the mechanism of social, and against the origin of society.
The most important points of above are that a wonderful mind can not be developed by others' will, it can only developed by the forces in ones own mind, and that the social way can give man predominant surviving ability to those not living in a society. Society if necessary for human to survive, and personal freedom in society is necessary too.

Applications or deductions:
The structure of a nation
The smallest nation with the least parts
The bilife of human as a member of society
The style of life as a member of nation
The essence of ethics
International politics and inner politics
The relationship of members of a society
Social behaviors
The essential principles of running and developing a nation
The characteristics of a predominant nation
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Reply Sun 8 Oct, 2006 05:58 pm
@Nates Mind,
Very interesting, but what if the human believes he is not 'free' as such but lives in a capitalist society and has oppotunities to seek his desires
perplexity
 
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Reply Sun 8 Oct, 2006 06:12 pm
@Nates Mind,
Nate's Mind wrote:

Why does human have to live in a way of society? Why doesn't human live in a way like a tiger in forest? Cause of civilization? Cause of the wisdom of human?



It is called "economy". To achieve a motor vehicle one might begin by digging up some iron ore; then they'd have to build a kiln to smelt the ore and so on, presuming that somebody had already told them how, to begin with.

It is much handier, on the other hand, to find a car salesman just down road because somebody else already did it for us.

-- RH.
pilgrimshost
 
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Reply Sun 8 Oct, 2006 06:22 pm
@perplexity,
Ever wondered why man is the most advanced speacies on earth, they say dolphins are probably as intelligent, but dolphins cant make fire under water!
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Nates Mind
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 04:53 am
@pilgrimshost,
pilgrimshost wrote:
Very interesting, but what if the human believes he is not 'free' as such but lives in a capitalist society and has oppotunities to seek his desires

two kinds of freedom, the freedom of mind, and the freedom of a social member

if the "free" you mentioned is the second one, it is necessary to understand the mechanism of creative ability to answer your question.
perplexity
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 06:14 am
@Nates Mind,
Nate's Mind wrote:
two kinds of freedom, the freedom of mind, and the freedom of a social member

if the "free" you mentioned is the second one, it is necessary to understand the mechanism of creative ability to answer your question.


Does that mean that is has to be explained to you, Mr. Mind, or do you propose to explain it to us?

I'd like you to explain this to me, because I have a very real problem with it:

"6. When people work for their own needs and wishes, they will not feel tired easily, for they are driven by their needs and wishes."

I happen to work as much for my own needs and wishes as anybody would and well beyond the extent that most would; my time is very much my own to create as I wish to, as I do indeed.

The problem then is to know what to create, what my needs and wishes are. How does one know what to wish for?

The pleasure principle is often invoked but in practice this proves to be remarkably elusive if not dangerous. The pleasure close up is never quite what it appeared to be from a distance, and in my experience impossible to achieve with no regard for the needs and wishes of other people, rather the opposite in fact; I crave appreciation; the tiredness comes as soon as I restrict the feedback loop; the stimulation is because of other people.

--- RH.


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pilgrimshost
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 10:24 pm
@Nates Mind,
In psychological terms our inner most desires are never ment to be realised because once they are (id ego or super ego, one of these) cant handle it because its the seeking to fullfil it that drives us;and it never lives up to expectations!
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Nates Mind
 
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Reply Tue 10 Oct, 2006 02:38 pm
@Nates Mind,
there are needs of a living body
we can feel upset cause of those needs
the needs will lead to imaginations
or if we meet somethings or someone which can fulfil the needs, we will know clearly what we need as a wish, will, or other known desire
perplexity
 
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Reply Tue 10 Oct, 2006 03:06 pm
@Nates Mind,
Nate's Mind wrote:
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or if we meet somethings or someone which can fulfil the needs, we will know clearly what we need as a wish, will, or other known desire


Yes, that sort of need I may well envisage as being remarkably elusive if not dangerous.

"weakness" is the word that comes immediately to mind.

I wonder what "experience and the observation of others " brought you to your conclusions.

Would not the experience be more meaningful if described in direct terms?

People prefer stories to dry analysis.

-- RH.
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