@Psycobabble,
Psycobabble;118662 wrote:Pythagorean with the greatest respect you do not want to know the truth. The free trade agreements you speak of (GATT) are the spawn of the Lima Protocol that I directed you to (which obviously you did not look into and the States was a signatory to from the seventies) that if studied in it's entirety you would see lays the foundation to the movement of production from the first world to the second and third worlds. Protectionism is also dismantled in that agreement hence the free trade you bleat about.
You are right. I haven't looked into the Lima Protocol as of yet. However, I will do the reading very soon. In the meantime I will say that it would come as no surprise to discover that the U.S. was a signatory of such an agreement. But this does not thereby nullify the U.S. Constitution which forbids relinquishing of U.S. sovereignty. Free trade was a well publicized, overt political policy in the United States, whose most famous proponent was president Ronald Reagan and his Republican followers. Without the hard sell by these politicians free trade, the 'dumping' of Japanese and Asians manufactures, would have been stopped.
My question to you would be: What are the motives of these conspirators? What were the reasons for this intentional redistribution of industry? I understand the democratic socialism of the Europeans pretty well. I also understand the ideological and political forces which drive the parties in the States. I believe I have a sound grasp of U.S. culture, broadly speaking. The greatest ideological movement in the West today is the pro-immigration, multicultural, 'diversity', liberal-leftist movement. The white man has lost the primal sense of his identity, or rather he defers to the non-whites to the extent of his own suicide. But as far as conspiracies are concerned, I need to know the ideological makeup of the parties involved and you have not offered this information as of yet. What was the motivation for the Lima Protocol?
Who are these conspirators?
[quote]Here again you exhibit your naivety of the facts. Japan was a great copier of technology and without Silicon Valley they would still be making rice cakes and noodles. Because the society was compliant and accepted direction their production rates and the cost effectiveness of their production swamped the manufacturing bases of the first world with goods at a price that consumers in the west took advantage of in comparison to locally produced products. This flow of capital and the technological revolution of the period did the rest.[/quote]
Dear Psychobabble, I never said the Japanese and the Asians didn't copy science and technology from the West. They did copy. They could not have created what they have without copying. But the fact remains today, that as far as high end manufacturing they are filthy rich and the entire world is dependent upon their manufacturing. Japan is today, the most advanced society and there is no catching them up. Their vast, high tech manufacturing production is as good if not better than gold. The Asians save and produce, the Americans consume and spend. The Chineese, for example, will never ever carry credit cards, they will always produce, manufacture and save.
[quote]That's it is it?....It is the fault of the plebs.:brickwall: The gold standard does not take into account the consumerism that is needed for growth in our modern economies to keep us all in work and the production centers viable. We invented a false wealth called credit and credit dismantled the gold standard because it is needed by the corporates to continue a flow of products to the market. We can not afford it but they sell it to us anyway, without credit the tv would be the price of a car, and the car the price of a cruise liner.[/quote]
The basic problem can be seen if looked at with a humble yet reasonable point of view. The West became too successful. Look, for example, at the intellectual and philosophical splendor of Europe before the second world war. What happened to it? Was it economics that caused the Europeans to decline intellectually?
Look at the nations that industrialized themselves in the nineteenth century. It was the native intelligence of the people, their literacy, their scientific curiosity their drive for exploration and discovery. This is not an economic source of native greatness.
The West has lost its hunger, has lost its metaphysical and religious yearnings, has lost the 'fire in the belly', lost its fundamental drive for power.
The price of these Asian goods today for America is more than a cruise liner, the price of Asian goods is the entire American standard of living including basic employment oppurtunities. The price of a cheap, 'dumped' Asian product for America could not be more expensive than the entire American economy and American way of life, which is what the true cost will eventually amount to.
I don't advocate a return to the gold standard but I can't help but notice that the debt driven system is fatally flawed.
But the 'idea' of a gold standard, the idea that money is precious, the idea that human beings need to cherish and save and suffer for their food - these basic fundamental human qualities are missing from our hyper-consumerist society. And that is the problem, you must save in order to invest and you must invest in order to produce - without the ethic of saving money there can be no investment and no production. But Americans do not save, they
borrow and spend... to the point of recklessness!
Quote:How old are you?...serious question....
I'll send you a PM.
[quote]Thank you Nostradamus, have you told any one of this revelation?[/quote]Quote:
When the shoot hits the fan indeed,...it has hit and is being circulated as we speak. Social dysfunction comes from not having a viable economy; it is not the cause of it.
Benjamin Franklin was a man of the Enlightenment who went around inventing great things and spreading those inventions around his country for all to share. The Ben Franklins must come, Enlightenment must come first, and then, if your country is lucky, a hundred years later the practical and economic benefits will come. We are determined more by political philosophy than by economics. It is the political
"right" to private property which drives men to acquire things because it allows them to aquire things. These 'rights' come from the minds of philosophers and were adopted by founders of political federations, were given to a fortunate nation and were pursued by the people
-this is the locus of prosperity. Without freedom there is no incentive for men to even labour at all.
Third world African nations get billions of dollars from the Western nations today. This is real money. But the leaders stuff it in their bank accounts. These poor African countries need a Ben Franklin, they need an Enlightenment, they need moral political philosophers. And if they have these things then maybe if they are lucky, then they will get rewarded economically. Social dysfunction comes from lack of discipline, backwardness, lack of ethical standards, political diffusion and ignorance- especially ignorance of natural sciences and physics.
The Rennaisance, the rise of Western Europeans after the decline of Rome, was not primarily an economic phenomenon. In fact, as you know, it was largely an artistic movement. Yet it paved the way for improvements, centuries later, in the standard of living for the Europeans.
Quote:Sorry about the ad homs, but your thoughts deserve it.
You are doing fine. I appreciate it.
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