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Do you believe in God?

 
 
manored
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 11:16 am
@xris,
xris wrote:
Im not stopping you ,believe what you likebut its convincing others is always a problem, when its faith driven..
The good thing about having a solipist view of god is that you dont feel the necessity of convicing others Smile
xris
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 12:57 pm
@manored,
manored wrote:
The good thing about having a solipist view of god is that you dont feel the necessity of convicing others Smile
So thank your god you are not going to try and convince me...:bigsmile:
BaCaRdi
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 12:57 pm
@manored,
Perfectly stated:)

-BaC
manored wrote:
The good thing about having a solipist view of god is that you dont feel the necessity of convicing others Smile


Ditto..lol Sounds like "me"...humm... "In" "god" we "trust"..

-

Have you faced your sins?...

-"TRoN"
xris wrote:
So thank your god you are not going to try and convince me...:bigsmile:
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xris
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 01:08 pm
@xris,
BaCaRdi wrote:
Ditto..lol Sounds like "me"...humm... "In" "god" we "trust"..

-

Have you faced your sins?...

-"TRoN"
I dont sin i have natural tendencies
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manored
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2008 10:57 am
@Pythagorean,
You only sin if you have a religion, another positive point in being solipist. Smile

I imagine a folder trying to convince people to my view of the world would be funny: "Do you wanna be god? Well, congrats, the spot is yours!" Smile
BaCaRdi
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2008 11:25 am
@manored,
Called a self fulfilling prophecy..

Don't work that way... Will you test you theory in life?

Not to say, if you walk-the-walk of course.. Then religion not needed...In that sense...


Is your lack of religion not your religion it self?

Or like me..you deiced to make your own out of availability?

-BaC
manored wrote:
You only sin if you have a religion, another positive point in being solipist. Smile

I imagine a folder trying to convince people to my view of the world would be funny: "Do you wanna be god? Well, congrats, the spot is yours!" Smile
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2008 11:32 am
@Pythagorean,
What does one do when he exists in a world without certainty. Religion has no purpose in this world without walls or solid objects. Religion is just another question.

Does the belief in God require a religion attached?
If we believe in god... Does God believe in us?
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BaCaRdi
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2008 11:33 am
@pokemasterat,
I sure did just that......Where there is a god of small there are gods of mighty.

-BaC
pokemasterat wrote:
"I think, therefore I am."

You never related God to the subatomic particle though. God is not the only solution, but subatomic particles are the only things that sensibly fit into the puzzle. It's like a puzzle with one piece missing, yet that's not the case with God. Also, it's called wave mechanics that determine an electron's position, just in case you didn't know. It's quite complicated for scientists, but it doesn't defy nature.
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Resha Caner
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2008 11:39 am
@Professer Frost,
Professer Frost wrote:
How can you say that something infinite "exists"? Doesn't the very definition of existence require that whatever exists be differentiated from other existent things and thus finite?


Sorry for the momentary digression, but it doesn't appear anyone ever answered this question, which shows a very flawed understanding of "infinity". Infinity is not "all things".

For example, a line can have an infinite length (1 dimension), yet it is not a square (two dimensions). If you want to blow your mind, investigate the concept of "levels of infinity".

Anyway, whatever logic about God follows from the quoted statement is flawed simply because the reference to infinity is flawed.
BaCaRdi
 
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Reply Tue 4 Nov, 2008 12:29 pm
@Resha Caner,
Well said Resha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely... A paradox indeed...there is infinite infinities..to say the least sum.lol



-BaC <---geek.lol
Resha Caner wrote:
Sorry for the momentary digression, but it doesn't appear anyone ever answered this question, which shows a very flawed understanding of "infinity". Infinity is not "all things".

For example, a line can have an infinite length (1 dimension), yet it is not a square (two dimensions). If you want to blow your mind, investigate the concept of "levels of infinity".

Anyway, whatever logic about God follows from the quoted statement is flawed simply because the reference to infinity is flawed.
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manored
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 09:05 am
@Pythagorean,
I think that the word "religion" should be saved for groups of people with a common belief that organize thenselves. Agnostics or similar tend to differ in their ideas of what god is more likely to be and dont organize thenselves. Then atheism is a religion? Smile

I didnt understood your "dont work that way" Bacardi. You mean, like, that if I make my own rules for personal satisfaction I wont get personal satisfaction?

Well I use elements from the world for those rules so... Smile
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OctoberMist
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 06:19 am
@Pythagorean,
I believe in what I call God because I had a personal experience with it (God).

However, it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of a god. All we have is belief; not knowledge.
Khethil
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 06:24 am
@OctoberMist,
OctoberMist wrote:
I believe in what I call God because I had a personal experience with it (God).


Yea, you mentioned this before. I don't suppose it's something you're ok sharing, is it? I'm very curious.

OctoberMist wrote:
However, it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of a god. All we have is belief; not knowledge.


Capital point! I keep harping on this differentiation and how appreciating it can help keep such issues in perspective.

Good stuff
OctoberMist
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 07:39 am
@Khethil,
Khethil said:

Quote:

Yea, you mentioned this before. I don't suppose it's something you're ok sharing, is it? I'm very curious.


Actually, I'm happy to discuss it. I'll start a new thread about it, though. Should be up within the hour.

OM: "However, it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of a god. All we have is belief; not knowledge."

Quote:

Capital point! I keep harping on this differentiation and how appreciating it can help keep such issues in perspective.


Thank you. That's the key problem that many people have: the inability to distinguish between knowledge and belief.

When I was an atheist, many people would say, "How can you say 'There is no god'??"

To which I would reply, "I'm not saying 'there is no god', I'm saying 'I do not believe in a god." -- Quite a big difference, but some people simply can't wrap their mind around it.

Today, I will say this: "I know that God is real - for me. I can't prove it, but I believe it 100%."
Khethil
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 07:58 am
@OctoberMist,
OctoberMist wrote:
To which I would reply, "I'm not saying 'there is no god', I'm saying 'I do not believe in a god." -- Quite a big difference, but some people simply can't wrap their mind around it.


Bless you! I'm exonerated! That's it... I can ascend into heaven now... someone else gets it.

OctoberMist wrote:
Today, I will say this: "I know that God is real - for me. I can't prove it, but I believe it 100%."


Well good for you. Perhaps I will have such an experience one day. All things are possible.

Thanks!
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BaCaRdi
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 10:28 am
@Pythagorean,
Welcome to human nature my followers....

-TRoN
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manored
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 11:58 am
@Pythagorean,
We should start laughing then, cause human nature is freaking stupid Smile

Its even more stupid because human nature is such that causes it to see itself as stupid.
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BaCaRdi
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 12:30 pm
@Pythagorean,
Speak for yourself my son...

The time of Christ is near my brother of self suffering...
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manored
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 04:08 pm
@Pythagorean,
Its actually the oposite of suffering: Realizing that life has no purpose, what, by itself, makes it quite stupid, and how stupid is the behavior of humans, opens up the path to happiness: You can find anything funny, and find your happiness in whatever you desire.
BaCaRdi
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2008 05:15 pm
@manored,
manored wrote:
Its actually the oposite of suffering: Realizing that life has no purpose, what, by itself, makes it quite stupid, and how stupid is the behavior of humans, opens up the path to happiness: You can find anything funny, and find your happiness in whatever you desire.


Well said my friend;)

Bess you,
-Marc
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