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Spill baby spill, slippery politics

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 09:57 am
Joe Barton went on TV this morning and apologized to BP for the 'shakedown' by the US government.

What a tool. The cleanup costs are going to be at LEAST the 20 billion put away, and this is a company who has PROFITED 170 billion or so over the last decade. This is hardly even a dent in their bottom line over a ten-year period.

The Republicans don't know which line to take on this problem...

Cycloptichorn
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 10:00 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

The Republicans don't know which line to take on this problem...

Cycloptichorn


I'm not sure of the original source for the following. I pulled it from a blog I follow.

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Republicans on the Hill have calculated that President Obama's successful demand that BP set up a $20 billion escrow account to pay out claims is ripe for political attack. In the wake of Wednesday's White House announcement, a host of GOP officials are raising questions about both the process by which the deal was made and the deal itself -- going so far as to apologize to BP on America's behalf.

"I'm ashamed of what happened in the White House yesterday," said Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) during a hearing on Thursday morning with BP's CEO Tony Hayward." I think it is a tragedy in the first proportion that a private corporation can be subjected to what I would characterize as a shakedown -- in this case a $20 billion shakedown -- with the attorney general of the United States, who is legitimately conducting a criminal investigation and has every right to do so to protect the American people, participating in what amounts to a $20 billion slush fund that's unprecedented in our nation's history, which has no legal standing, which I think sets a terrible precedent for our nation's future."

"I'm only speaking for myself. I'm not speaking for anyone else, but I apologize," Barton added. "I do not want to live in a county where anytime a citizen or a corporation does something that is legitimately wrong, [it is] subject to some sort of political pressure that, again, in my words, amounts to a shakedown."

Airing criticisms against the notion of forcing BP to fork over $20 billion in liability revenue would seem like a fairly risky proposition considering just how reviled the oil giant is in the current political environment. And Democrats quickly jumped on the congressman's remark, as well as those from other Republicans, as evidence of a lack of sensitivity for the victims of the spill.

"We know they oil companies have been the GOP's patrons for years," said DNC spokesman Hari Sevugan, "but given the devastation inflicted on Americans by BP's recklessness, we're surprised that Republicans would not want to hold BP accountable to the families and small businesses of the Gulf."

Indeed, despite saying he was speaking on his own accord (and not on behalf of the Republican Party) but Barton was far from alone. The Republican Study Committee, a group of conservative members of the House, was even less diplomatic with a statement describing the Obama administration's actions as a "Chicago-style political shakedown."
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"These actions are emblematic of a politicization of our economy that has been borne out of this Administration's drive for greater power and control," wrote chairman Tom Price (R-GA).

Price was echoed later in the evening by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), who said during an appearance on CNN that the president appears to be using BP as a "permanent ATM card," with eyes on taking over "private industry."

None of the critiques, however, matched the more philosophical pushback offered by Mississippi Governor Hailey Barbour, who objected to the idea of forcing BP to invest money for the purpose of paying out claims when the company could simply use that money to expand offshore drilling so that they could make money to pay out claims.

"If they take a huge amount of money and put it in an escrow account so they can't use it to drill oil wells and produce revenue, are they going to be able to pay us?" Barbour told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

For certain, Barton, Bachman, Price and Barbour's comments represented some of the more extreme remarks aired on the issue. But they aren't isolated within the GOP tent, nor are they far removed from the sentiments of party leadership. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's office has not commented directly on the escrow account, an aide confirms. But House Minority Whip Eric Cantor has.

"I don't want to pile on the president, but people need leadership right, and the President has not offered any plan to help the people right now who need it most," the congressman said in a statement. "We're facing a real environmental catastrophe right now and the President has taken no demonstrative action to show that he has a plan and is going to get it done. I do commend the President working with BP to establish the fund, and clearly BP has to pay. For their part, they've stepped up and taken responsibility. But the President still has not offered a fix to the problem at hand, which is plugging the leak and cleaning the mess."

On Thursday morning, meanwhile, Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) tried for the fourth time to eliminate the $75 million cap on liability for economic damages that oil companies must pay in the wake of a spill. His effort for a unanimous consent agreement was rejected, once more, by Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), who said the policy would make drilling offshore economically prohibitive for smaller oil companies.
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 10:02 am
@JPB,
From the above...

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"I do not want to live in a county where anytime a citizen or a corporation does something that is legitimately wrong, [it is] subject to some sort of political pressure that, again, in my words, amounts to a shakedown."


WTF? He doesn't want individuals or corporations to be responsible for their actions?
rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 12:16 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Sure they do. They go where the money is. That leaves out me and you but the repub clones see this as a good thing. Theres no cureing stupid!
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rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 12:19 pm
@JPB,
He isent against all individuals being held responsible, only corporations and individuals with a net worth of 2 million dollars.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 04:31 pm
This is from the Conservative National Review -

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Friday, June 18, 2010

The Spill Response [Rich Lowry]

An e-mailer who’s an expert on oil spills weighs in on that Wall Street Journal story the other day on the chaos of the response:
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-The criticism about not having adequate ocean boom is probably valid. It costs a lot, and is practically never used, so there isn’t a lot in inventory – anywhere in the world. But it is irrelevant for this spill (see the next point).

-Booms and dispersants are not compatible with each other. Booms only work when the oil floats on the surface of the water. Yet the whole purpose of dispersants is to get the oil to disperse down into the water column, breaking the oil into tiny droplets that have vastly increased surface area, so that natural degradation processes can work much more rapidly. You can’t really “boom” dispersed oil. Spill responders have to make a fundamental choice when it comes to a big spill. If there is any hope of containing it in booms and recovering it, then that is the obvious choice – and the government (who has to individually approve the use of dispersants on each spill) would never approve the use of dispersants instead of booms. Really big spills, like this one, can’t be boomed and skimmed effectively – especially when they continue for weeks on end. It just can’t be done – at least not in the open ocean. Thus, the “least bad” option is to disperse whatever you can’t contain and skim. I give the government credit for making the call fairly early in this spill to use dispersants, and on a massive scale. That was the right call. Biologists are right to worry about the effects of the dispersed oil, and there will be lots of studies on the pros and cons of letting the oil sit on the surface versus dispersing it into the water column. These studies might change the decision for some subsequent spill… but based on what we know now, dispersing it is the right thing to do. The flip side is that most of the remaining oil won’t boom very well. I’m not saying that boom wouldn’t help at all, or that its use is a complete waste of time… I’m just saying it won’t work as well as it would on fresh, floating oil.

- The EPA’s dispersant flip-flop was bureaucratic bungling at its worst. There is an extensive testing process involving toxicity tests (both acute and chronic), for a dispersant to be listed as an “approved” dispersant for spill response use. The one that BP was using was already “pre-approved”, and was stockpiled in large quantities for THIS EXACT SCENARIO. For EPA to step in during the crisis and decide that, well maybe they like a different dispersant better, and BP better find one in 48 hours, borders on criminal negligence on EPA’s part. And, subsequently, EPA was forced to back down once the idiocy of their decision became obvious. It would be hard to find a better example of how these guys can step in and muck things up, while the disaster unfolds around their clueless heads.

- The shoreline response is about what I would expect for this type of spill, and has gone pretty well all things considered. BP and NOAA had site-specific trajectory analyses of the spill, and used them at the outset to figure out what to protect first. These models were (and still are) updated on a continuous basis. The models aren’t perfect (kind of like predicting the course of a hurricane), but they are the best way to determine where the spill will go and what will be impacted first. Lots of people were mobilized to place lots of boom in the most likely places. Of course, no one is happy with the boom deployment, because everyone wants THEIR beach/inlet/whatever to be first priority, regardless of what a trajectory model might say. Everybody just screams as loud as they can in hopes that they will win the contest to get boom first, and of the best type for their situation. BP and the USCG are left in the middle of a no-win situation. There will be LOTS of unhappy people, regardless of what they do.

- By the way, it isn’t a sign of negligence that there was boom available that had not been deployed. Since it wasn’t clear exactly where the boom would be needed, and there isn’t enough to boom every possible location on the Gulf Coast, it would be prudent to leave some on the boats or on the docks that could be rapidly deployed once it DID become clear where it would be needed. Of course, given the political pressures involved it would be unacceptable not to be seen to be using every foot of boom – especially when thousands of voices are screaming for it. So it gets deployed somewhere, anywhere … probably in the wrong spot, to avoid criticism and at least satisfy somebody in the crowd. Yet another example of how poor decisions are made because of political, not scientific, considerations.



http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Mzg2YjFlYjY1ODRhMWI2YzhlOGQyMTkwZTE3N2VmMjk=

Cycloptichorn
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 05:04 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Interesting. However the Administration could have accepted the offers of other nations for tankers and skimmers, and mobilized our own as well, that could have collected large quantities of surfaced petroleum. They did not do this for reasons that have not been disclosed. Some speculate that the unwillingness of the current administration to use its emergency powers to waive applicability of the Jones act (which requirres all such ships to be crewed by dues paying members of the U.S. seafarers union) was the cause. In any event the law was not waived and the skimming fleet (which has been used very effectively in other catastrophic spills in the Persian Gulf and West Africa) was not employed. This method too would have favored the avoidance of dispersants & surfactants (and the colateral environmental damage associated with them).
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 05:10 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Interesting. However the Administration could have accepted the offers of other nations for tankers and skimmers, and mobilized our own as well, that could have collected large quantities of surfaced petroleum. They did not do this for reasons that have not been disclosed. Some speculate that the unwillingness of the current administration to use its emergency powers to waive applicability of the Jones act (which requirres all such ships to be crewed by dues paying members of the U.S. seafarers union) was the cause. In any event the law was not waived and the skimming fleet (which has been used very effectively in other catastrophic spills in the Persian Gulf and West Africa) was not employed. This method too would have favored the avoidance of dispersants & surfactants (and the colateral environmental damage associated with them).


I think that the worst thing the Admin has done in this case is fail in their messaging. The above account explains things a hell of a lot better than the dreck the gov't has been pumping out lately.

I don't know if you've been keeping up with the technical chatter that is going on online about the problem, but there seems to be an increasing consensus that the relief wells simply aren't going to work and the reserve will simply bleed itself out. There is a lot of concern that the flow rate of the gusher has seriously degraded the rock quality around it and that the entire (remaining) casing etc. may simply collapse on it's own unless BP takes steps to prevent it. I hope this isn't the case, but we'd better get ready for that - the reserve has something like 1.5 billion barrels in it!

Cycloptichorn
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 05:43 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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I hope this isn't the case, but we'd better get ready for that - the reserve has something like 1.5 billion barrels in it!


I hope so too Cyclo. Headless chickens are bad enough. Chickenless heads are unthinkable.
failures art
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 05:44 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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I hope this isn't the case, but we'd better get ready for that - the reserve has something like 1.5 billion barrels in it!


I hope so too Cyclo. Headless chickens are bad enough. Chickenless heads are unthinkable.

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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 06:04 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I think the worst thing the Administration has done is not "the messaging" of their response, but the inept and sometimes chaotic response itself. In this case, unlike Katrina, the Federal government - not the individual states, is the primary responder and the responsible agency for preparedness and emergency action. I'll agree their apologists appear to want to describe it as a "failure of messaging", but this appears to me to be the reaction of superficial political types who believe the message is the real thing. Serious folks know better.

I'm an experienced engineer but not a geologist. What you wrote about flow-induced erosion of the well penetration of the rock & soil above the oil is certainly plausible. A lot would depend on how far and through what kind of material they drilled through to get at it. I don't know those details.

It will be interesting to read the technical description of the failed drilling/capping process when it finally comes out. My impression is that the redundancy and reliability of the various containment measures planed were grossly inadequate compared to the consequences of failure.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 06:11 pm
Tony Hayward has to go home. Hopefully he'll get his life back now.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 06:23 pm
@georgeob1,
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I think the worst thing the Administration has done is not "the messaging" of their response, but the inept and sometimes chaotic response itself.


The response has not been inept in the slightest, but I understand why detractors such as yourself would like to paint it so. Truthfully, much as the account I posted above stated, they have done an adequate job dealing with the disaster.

Quibbling that they should have accepted Dutch ships a little earlier, or that various departments didn't act as efficiently as they should have, are truthfully minor complaints, George.

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In this case, unlike Katrina, the Federal government - not the individual states, is the primary responder and the responsible agency for preparedness and emergency action.


This is also incorrect. The primary responsibility lies with BP and their partners in the drilling operation. The Feds have a secondary responsibility after that. BP has admitted that they never believed the worst case scenario would happen and were unprepared to deal with it, despite repeatedly assuring the government that they were prepared - even after the event happened.

This was not an act of God, or a natural disaster - this is a failure of Big Business, driven by greed. To pretend that those who caused the problem through their reckless actions are not responsible is a true example of apology on the part of ideology.

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It will be interesting to read the technical description of the failed drilling/capping process when it finally comes out. My impression is that the redundancy and reliability of the various containment measures planed were grossly inadequate compared to the consequences of failure.


Various reports (that I will link to if you wish) have revealed that BP knew for months that there were serious problems with the well, problems that should have required a slowdown or shutdown of operations until they were fixed - an action that BP was unwilling to take.

Cycloptichorn
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 07:28 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

[The response has not been inept in the slightest, but I understand why detractors such as yourself would like to paint it so. Truthfully, much as the account I posted above stated, they have done an adequate job dealing with the disaster.

Adequate??? Adequate with respect to what standard? Have they contained the spill? Did their day-to-day oversight of BP's drilling operation enforce adequate engineering and safety standards? The petroleum washing ashore in Florida Mississippi and Louisiana is sufficient testimony toi the inadequacy of the Federal government oversight and response.
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quibbling that they should have accepted Dutch ships a little earlier, or that various departments didn't act as efficiently as they should have, are truthfully minor complaints, George.
That is no quibble. Available data is pretty clear that for a continuing release of this magnitude direct surface recovery is an order of magnitude more effective than the widespread application of dispersants. Now, having used them so extensively, it is too late to switch course.
Cycloptichorn wrote:

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In this case, unlike Katrina, the Federal government - not the individual states, is the primary responder and the responsible agency for preparedness and emergency action.

This is also incorrect. The primary responsibility lies with BP and their partners in the drilling operation. The Feds have a secondary responsibility after that. BP has admitted that they never believed the worst case scenario would happen and were unprepared to deal with it, despite repeatedly assuring the government that they were prepared - even after the event happened.
My comment obviously referred to the relative primacy of government agencies in responding to the disaster. In that the Federal government is very clearly primary - both as the day-to-day regulator of the drilling operations and as the primary government agency responsible for containing and limiting the damage.

We all watched the spectacle of Tony Hayward's testimony before the House Energy Committee, as the tribunes of the people vyed with one another in expressing righteous indignation over the event. Missing from the hearingg was the now departed head of the MMS, the govermnent regulator of the operation that both selected the drilling site and oversaw the day-to-day operations on the rig, and the Secretary of the Interior who is responsible for the whole program. She (the head of the MMS) had been swiftly gotten out of the way, without any hearings or fanfare, soon after the event happened.

I was also mindful that this was the same House Energy Committee that drafted legislation to limit the liability of offshore drillers to $75 million. I noted that none of them acknowledged that or even thanked BP for voluntarily (and wisely) waiving what is in fact a legal right to a limitation on their liability conferred by the same Congress berating them now.
Cycloptichorn wrote:

This was not an act of God, or a natural disaster - this is a failure of Big Business, driven by greed. To pretend that those who caused the problem through their reckless actions are not responsible is a true example of apology on the part of ideology.

This is a failure of one big business concern, but not of all of them collectively. Is the greed and recklessness of BP any worse than the ambition, incompetence, vanity and lust for power of the political types who created the governing regulations, specified the drilling site and "oversaw" the drilling operations, and who earlier limited company liability to $75 million (that's less than 1% of what BP has already pleged).
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 09:24 pm
I'm amazed that the right wing thinks Obama hasn't done enough in this crisis. Why they hate Big Government Intervention! Why would they want it?

The American right also hates the environment so you would think they would enjoy all the extinctions. Hey, with those pesky manatees gone, the liberals will have fewer animals to annoy the right with.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 11:17 pm
@plainoldme,
It isn't that he hasn't "done enough". It is simply that he hasn't done anything in particular to address the problem before us.

He seems strangely detached from the concrete issues and instead ventures off into the vague and abstract political rhetoric of his campaign. Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised - that is the just about the only achievement in his professionsl career.

Still it's not fair to say he has done nothing. He has (1) presided over the uncoordinated and often chaotic actions of competing brueaucracies; (2)demonized the petroleum industry, and seriously disrupted domestic production; distorted the technical recommendations of experts to deceitfully rationalize his political decision to suspend offshore drilling; (3) hectored us for our use of petroleum and failure to fulfill his alternate energy fantasies; (4) hidden the complicity of his own political appointees in the failure of regulatory oversight that was a key factor in the catastrophe; and (5) made impromptu trips to the Gulf for photo ops designed to adjust "the message" and news reporting to create the illusion he is in charge.
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Jackofalltrades phil
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 12:48 pm
After Obama's address to the American nation, it seems America has woken up to the worst environmental man-made disastor in the history of the earth. For me this ranks second to none after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Chernobyl blast disastor, and the Bhopal Gas leak.

The worst ever because I see only despair and helplessness of one of the most advanced technological nation and the prime accused being from one of the topmost Oil drilling companies using most sophisticated machineries are unable to find any practical solutions to plug the leak which is devastating the entire coastline and harming the marine life and oceanic birdlife.

What would happen if in another one month, the leak is not plugged. What would be the extent of damage to the entire Gulf of Mexico. The problem right now should not be on focussing on where the buck stops and who should pay, but to see that the disastor is mitigated as soon and as far as possible.

Irishk
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 01:29 pm
@Jackofalltrades phil,
I agree it's certainly one of the worst, but as this article in the New York Times points out, we may have to wait until it's over to determine where it really ranks.

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Where Gulf Spill Might Place on the Roll of Disasters

From the Oval Office the other night, President Obama called the oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico “the worst environmental disaster America has ever faced.” Senior people in the government have echoed that language.

The motive seems clear. The words signal sympathy for the people of the Gulf Coast, an acknowledgment of the magnitude of their struggle. And if this is really the worst environmental disaster, the wording seems to suggest, maybe people need to cut the government some slack for failing to get it under control right away.

But is the description accurate?

Scholars of environmental history, while expressing sympathy for the people of the gulf, say the assertion is debatable. They offer an intimidating list of disasters to consider: floods caused by human negligence, the destruction of forests across the entire continent and the near-extermination of the American bison.

“The White House is ignoring all the shades and complexities here to make a dramatic point,” said Donald E. Worster, an environmental historian at the University of Kansas and a visiting scholar at Yale.

The professors also note the impossibility of ranking such a varied list of catastrophes. Perhaps the worst disaster, they say, is always the one people are living through now.

Still, for sheer disruption to human lives, several of them could think of no environmental problem in American history quite equaling the calamity known as the Dust Bowl.

“The Dust Bowl is arguably one of the worst ecological blunders in world history,” said Ted Steinberg, a historian at Case Western Reserve University.

Across the High Plains, stretching from the Texas Panhandle to the Dakotas, poor farming practices in the early part of the 20th century stripped away the native grasses that held moisture and soil in place. A drought that began in 1930 exposed the folly.

Boiling clouds of dust whipped up by harsh winds buried homes and cars, destroyed crops, choked farm animals to death and sent children to the hospital with pneumonia. At first the crisis was ignored in Washington, but then the apocalyptic clouds began to blow all the way to New York, Buffalo and Chicago. A hearing in Congress on the disaster was interrupted by the arrival of a dust storm.

By the mid-1930s, people started to give up on the region in droves. The Dust Bowl refugees joined a larger stream of migrants displaced by agricultural mechanization, and by 1940 more than two million people had left the Great Plains States.

However, the Dust Bowl lasted a decade, and that raises an issue. What exactly should be defined as an environmental disaster? How long should an event take to play out, and how many people have to be harmed before it deserves that epithet?

Among sudden events, the Johnstown Flood might be a candidate for worst environmental disaster. On May 31, 1889, heavy rains caused a poorly maintained dam to burst in southwestern Pennsylvania, sending a wall of water 14 miles downriver to the town of Johnstown. About 2,200 people were killed in one of the worst tolls in the nation’s history.

At the time it happened, that event was understood as a failure of engineering and maintenance, and that is how it has come down in history. Perhaps a one-day flood is simply too short-term to count as an environmental disaster.

On the other hand, if events that played out over many decades are included, the field of candidates expands sharply.

Perhaps the destruction of the native forests of North America, which took hundreds of years, should be counted as the nation’s largest environmental calamity. The slaughtering of millions of bison on the Great Plains might qualify.

Craig E. Colten, a geographer at Louisiana State University, nominates “the human overhaul of the Mississippi River Valley,” which destroyed many thousands of acres of wetlands and made the region more vulnerable to later events like Hurricane Katrina.

However, those activities were not seen as disasters at the time, at least by the people who carried them out. They were viewed as desirable alterations of the landscape. It is only in retrospect that people have come to understand what was lost, so maybe those do not belong on a disaster list.

Oil spills, too, seem to be judged more by their effect on people than on the environment. Consider the Lakeview Gusher, which was almost certainly a worse oil spill, by volume, than the one continuing in the gulf.

In the southern end of California’s San Joaquin Valley, an oil rush was on in the early decades of the 20th century. On March 14, 1910, a well halfway between the towns of Taft and Maricopa, in Kern County, blew out with a mighty roar.

It continued spewing huge quantities of oil for 18 months. The version of events accepted by the State of California puts the flow rate near 100,000 barrels a day at times. “It’s the granddaddy of all gushers,” said Pete Gianopulos, an amateur historian in the area.

The ultimate volume spilled was calculated at 9 million barrels, or 378 million gallons. According to the highest government estimates, the Deepwater Horizon spill is not yet half that size.

The Lakeview oil was penned in immense pools by sandbags and earthen berms, and nearly half was recovered and refined by the Union Oil Company. The rest soaked into the ground or evaporated. Today, little evidence of the spill remains, and outside Kern County, it has been largely forgotten. That is surely because the area is desert scrubland, and few people were inconvenienced by the spill.

That sets it apart from the Deepwater Horizon leak. The environmental effects of the gulf spill remain largely unknown. But the number of lives disrupted is certainly in the thousands, if not the tens of thousands; the paychecks lost in industries like fishing add up to millions; and the ultimate cost will be counted in billions.

Even with all that pain, can it yet be called the nation’s worst environmental disaster?

“My take,” said William W. Savage Jr., a professor of history at the University of Oklahoma, “is that we’re not going to be able to tell until it’s over.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/science/earth/19enviro.html?hp

edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 01:58 pm
I am presenting this article for discussion. I do not know enough to think it is bull or for real. - edgarblythe

Just the other day, I found an article entitled, "16 Burning Questions About The Gulf Of Mexico Oil Spill" on the TheEconomicCollapseBlog.com site (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...). It was a really insightful collection of important questions, so I've repeated them below. The author of these questions wasn't mentioned on the page, so I regret I cannot properly attribute the list, but I do think they're worth reviewing, so I've included my own commentary and an extra question below.

Here are the 16 questions:

#1) Barack Obama has authorized the deployment of more than 17,000 National Guard members along the Gulf coast to be used "as needed" by state governors. So what are all of these National Guard troops going to be doing exactly? Are the troops going to be used to stop the oil or to control the public?

Mike's comment: Good question. Much of the response activity to the spill seems to be about controlling the public's perception and limiting media access to the spill site rather than actually cleaning up the mess.

#2) Barack Obama has also announced the creation of a "Gulf recovery czar" who will be in charge of overseeing the restoration of the Gulf of Mexico region following the oil spill. So is appointing a "czar" Obama's idea of taking charge of a situation?

#3) Because it is so incredibly toxic, the UK's Marine Management Organization has completely banned Corexit 9500, so if there was a major oil spill in the UK's North Sea, BP would not be able to use it. So why is BP being allowed to use Corexit 9500 in the Gulf of Mexico?

Mike's answer: Because Corexit kills sea animals and makes them sink and disappear rather than allowing them to wash up on shore where the emotional outcry would be even worse than it is already.

#4) It is being reported that 2.61 parts per million of Corexit 9500 (mixed with oil at a ratio of 1:1o) is lethal to 50% of fish exposed to it within 96 hours. That means that 1 gallon of Corexit 9500/oil mixture is capable of rendering 383,141 gallons of water highly toxic to fish. So why was BP allowed to dump 1,021,000 gallons of Corexit 9500 and Corexit 9527 into the Gulf of Mexico, and why aren't they being stopped from dumping another 805,000 gallons of these dispersants that they have on order into the Gulf?

Mike's answer: Sadly, BP is running the show in the Gulf, not the government! The U.S. government has sold out to private corporations who now think they own the gulf and can run operations there however they see fit.

#5) If these dispersants are so incredibly toxic to fish, what are they going to do to crops? What are they going to do to people?

Mike's answer: They're obviously going to poison the entire Gulf Coast region if hurricanes whip up these chemicals and deposit them on land. We could be looking at a complete wipeout of the Florida citrus industry, for example, if all the worst conditions converge.

#6) If the smell of the oil on some Gulf beaches is already so strong that it burns your nostrils, then what in the world is this oil doing to wildlife that encounter it?

#7) Is it a bad sign that birds from the Gulf region are flocking north by the thousands?

Mike answer: Remember the Tsunami in the Indian ocean a few years back? The animals fled first, while the clueless people stayed behind and got clobbered by the deadly wave. I think a similar thing could be happening in the Gulf. All it takes is one hurricane to turn the entire region into a toxic stew of chemical poison.

#8) Why is BP being allowed to use private security contractors to keep the American people away from the oil cleanup sites?

Mike's answer: Yes, this is the real question. BP is running security in the Gulf the same way Halliburton runs security in the Middle East. The corporate contractors are now the police force in the area, and they're running the Gulf as if they owned it! This is a clear indication that the corporations have taken over our government.

#9) Why is BP openly attempting to manipulate the search results on sites like Google and Yahoo?

#10) Why has the FAA shut down the airspace above the Gulf of Mexico oil spill? What don't they want the American people to see?

Mike's answer: There are lots of answer to this one: The feds probably don't want people in small airplanes taking aerial photos and posting them online (because the Obama administration is working overtime to cover up the truth here, much like the Bush administration did with the flag-draped coffins coming home from war in the Middle East). It could also be that they are planning something really crazy like a deep ocean nuke to collapse the well, and they don't want civilians falling out of the sky when the mushroom cloud appears.

#11) Senator Bill Nelson of Florida says there are reports that there are additional ruptures in the sea floor from which oil is leaking. If there are quite a few of these additional ruptures, then how in the world does BP expect to completely stop this oil leak?

Mike's answer: BP actually doesn't expect to stop this leak anytime soon. They are clearly in full-on spin mode, just trying to deny the truth and spin the words to buy themselves more time to offload stock shares before the whole thing comes tumbling down.

#12) Why are scientists finding concentrations of methane at up to 10,000 times normal background levels in Gulf waters?

Mike's answer: Because BP broke the ocean floor, and now huge volumes of gas hydrates (which contain methane) are bubbling up from places that were previously trapped safely underground.

#13) At some testing stations in the Gulf of Mexico, levels of benzene have been detected at over 3000 parts per billion, and levels of hydrogen sulfide have been detected as high as 1192 parts per billion. Considering that these levels would be highly toxic to humans, why hasn't the general public been warned?

#14) Why are so many Gulf oil spill disaster workers showing up at local hospitals complaining of a "mysterious illness"?

Mike's answer: This is going to be the Gulf War Syndrome of the Gulf Coast. Or the 9/11 asbestos question affecting firefighters. There will be a wave of toxic side effects from the use of chemicals in the Gulf, and both BP and the federal government will predictably deny any link between the chemicals and the health effects for years to come.

#15) If "70% or 80%" of the protective booms are doing absolutely nothing at all to stop the oil, then what is going to stop the millions of gallons of oil in the Gulf from eventually reaching shore?

Mike's answer: Nothing, of course. The oil is going to reach the shore, and there's nothing BP or the feds can do to stop in. In fact, it seems as if they are trying to interfere with the cleanup by halting the barges that were supposed to be vacuuming oil just off the beaches.

#16) It is being reported that the deep sea oil plumes are creating huge "dead zones" where all creatures are dying as they are deprived of oxygen. If this oil spill continues to grow could the vast majority of the Gulf of Mexico become one gigantic "dead zone"?

Mike's answer: Indeed, that is precisely what looks likely to happen.
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 09:29 pm
If anyone is interested, this link provides sarah palin's viewpoint on the Obama speech, on BP (rhymes with VP, oh myyyyy gosh!), on the Gulf of Mexico and on the drilling moratorium.

I did not read it. Not only is the typeface terrible but her moronic diction is not something I can deal with.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594753,00.html
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