Muslim Org Threatens 'South Park' Creators With ... Death ... Again

I think this a seriously interesting discussion on the issue.

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I think this a seriously interesting discussion on the issue.

Just watched it, Deb, & I agree with you.
Thanks for posting it.

What!? An Islamic group offended by a pop culture reference? How will they react? "SILENCE!!!! ... I KILL YOU!!!"

I have it on excellent authority that my side is the right side. You are just backward, slow, I'm afraid.

(Don't wanna derail this thread. Just saying good morning to you!)

Thank you. And what a nice spring evening it is!

I doubt very much that many would agree with such extreme threats, yet they appear to confine their discussions to within their own (Muslim) communities. They don't speak out publicly against the crazy extremists.

msolga wrote:

I doubt very much that many would agree with such extreme threats, yet they appear to confine their discussions to within their own (Muslim) communities. They don't speak out publicly against the crazy extremists.

Yes -- in the interview dlowan posted, Ayan Hirsi Ali alludes to that, too.

"Yunus Muhammad" says in the interview that the Quran instructs Muslims to "terrorize the disbelievers." It does no such thing. The Quran instructs Muslims to live at peace with non-Muslims who are at peace with them.

The verse to which this individual referred was in the chapter of the Spoils (al-Anfal), 8:60:

Wa a`iddu lahum ma istata`tum min quwwatin wamin ribati 'lkhayli turhibuna bihi `aduwwa Allahi wa`aduwwakum

Which means, "Prepare against them all the power, and all the war horses that you can, whereby to strike fear into the enemies of God and your enemies."

The context of this verse is the Battle of Badr on March 17, 624 of the Common Era. In the 610s, the pagan Meccans had persecuted the new religion of Islam and ultimately chased Muhammad and the Muslims out of Mecca for preaching the one God. They took refuge in the nearby city of Yathrib, which became known as Medina (i.e., the City [of the Prophet]). The wealthy Meccan polytheists hoped to wipe Islam and the Muslims out, and fought skirmishes with them. The early Muslims riposted by raiding Meccan trading caravans, in hopes of weakening their foe economically. That March in 624, the Meccans sent out their best fighters to protect a caravan. A Muslim force more or less stumbled onto this expedition. Badr, named after a well south of Medina, was the first major battle between the two sides, and the Muslims won it, thus saving themselves from genocide.

So what the Quran is saying in 8:60 is that the Muslims should keep a stable of fighting steeds at the ready and let the Meccans know about it, to strike fear into the hearts of an enemy trying to wipe out them and their religion.

The verse does not command any act of "terrorism." It commands that Muslims attempt to forestall irrational violence against a Muslim state through deterrence. It is defensive in intent.