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Boooo To The University Of Ottawa

 
 
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 02:16 pm
@ehBeth,
agreed

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 03:16 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
where do you get this [email protected] from?
there are only two role models in the west...the American way and the European way. When Canadians spend loads of energy resisting American cultural influence you are identifying with the European way, not admitting this to yourself or others does not change this. We could then go into you political structure which is strongly European, general liberalism which is as well, the cultural connection to England and France which stayed strong well past the American practice, and so on.

Canadians like to claim that they are not either American or European, they are their own multicultural way. This is BS. They are a mish-mash of both, but as such they are much more European than America.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 09:10 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
there are only two role models in the west...the American way and the European way.


And the Canadian system was able to profit from watching the mistakes made in the US political system, the bad role model.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 09:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
the cultural connection to England and France


this is beyond BS.

you're really not aware of what goes on outside of your village are you?

Canada is more connected culturally to south Asia and the Middle East these days. England and France don't come into play here anymore, except for tourists. The latest studies indicate that Canadians of European descent will be the visible majority within my lifetime. We are already the minority where I live.

It's been a good 40 years or more since England and France had any meaningful cultural influence here. Canada has come a long, good way since the 1950's and 1960's.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 09:28 pm
Ann's response to all of this:

http://anncoulter.com/

Quote:

Since arriving in Canada I've been accused of thought crimes, threatened with criminal prosecution for speeches I hadn't yet given, and denounced on the floor of the Parliament (which was nice because that one was on my "bucket list").

Posters advertising my speech have been officially banned, while posters denouncing me are plastered all over the University of Ottawa campus. Elected officials have been prohibited from attending my speeches. Also, the local clothing stores are fresh out of brown shirts.

Welcome to Canada!

The provost of the University of Ottawa, average student IQ: 0, wrote to me -- widely disseminating his letter to at least a half-dozen intermediaries before it reached me -- in advance of my visit in order to recommend that I familiarize myself with Canada's criminal laws regarding hate speech.

This marks the first time I've ever gotten hate mail for something I might do in the future.

Apparently Canadian law forbids "promoting hatred against any identifiable group," which the provost, Francois A. Houle advised me, "would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to criminal charges."

I was given no specific examples of what words and phrases I couldn't use, but I take it I'm not supposed to say, "F--- you, Francois."

While it was a relief to know that it is still permissible in Canada to promote hatred against unidentifiable groups, upon reading Francois' letter, I suddenly realized that I had just been the victim of a hate crime! And it was committed by Francois A. Houle (French for "Frank A. Hole").

What other speakers get a warning not to promote hatred? Did Francois A. Houle send a similarly worded letter to Israel-hater Omar Barghouti before he spoke last year at U of Ottawa? ("Ottawa": Indian for "Land of the Bed-Wetters.")

How about Angela Davis, Communist Party member and former Black Panther who spoke at the University of Zero just last month?

Or do only conservatives get letters admonishing them to be civil? Or -- my suspicion -- is it only conservative women who fuel Francois' rage?

How about sending a letter to all Muslim speakers advising them to please bathe once a week while in Canada? Would that constitute a hate crime?

I'm sure Canada's Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of Francois' strange warning to me, inasmuch as I will be filing a complaint with that august body, so I expect they will be reviewing every letter the university has sent to other speakers prior to their speeches to see if any of them were threatened with criminal prosecution.

Both writer Mark Steyn and editor Ezra Levant have been investigated by the Human Rights Commission for promoting hatred toward Muslims.

Levant's alleged crime was to reprint the cartoons of Mohammed originally published in a Danish newspaper, leading practitioners of the Religion of Peace to engage in murderous violence across the globe. Steyn's alleged crime was to publish an excerpt of his book, "America Alone" in Maclean's magazine, in which he jauntily described Muslims as "hot for jihad."

Both of them also flew jet airliners full of passengers into skyscrapers in lower Manhattan, resulting in thousands of deaths. No, wait -- that was somebody else.

Curiously, however, there was no evidence that either the cartoons or the column did, in fact, incite hatred toward Muslims -- nor was there the remotest possibility that they would.

By contrast, conservative speakers are regularly subjected to violent attacks on college campuses. Bill Kristol, Pat Buchanan, David Horowitz and I have all been the targets of infamous campus attacks.

That's why the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute (a sponsor of my Canada speeches) and the Young America's Foundation (a sponsor of many of my college speeches) don't send conservatives to college campuses without a bodyguard.

You'd have to be a real A-Houle not to anticipate that accusing a conservative of "promoting hatred" prior to her arrival on a college campus would in actuality -- not in liberal fantasies of terrified Muslims cowering in terror of Mark Steyn readers -- incite real-world violence toward the conservative.

The university itself acknowledged that Francois' letter was likely to provoke violence against me by demanding -- long after my speech was scheduled, but immediately after Francois disseminated his letter -- that my sponsors pony up more than $1,200 for extra security.

Also following Francois' letter, the Ottawa University Student Federation met for 7 1/2 hours to hammer out a series of resolutions denouncing me. The resolutions included:

"Whereas Ann Coulter is a hateful woman;

"Whereas she has made hateful comments against GLBTQ, Muslims, Jews and women;

"Whereas she violates an unwritten code of 'positive-space';

"Be it resolved that the SFUO express its disapproval of having Ann Coulter speak at the University of Ottawa."

At least the students didn't waste 7 1/2 hours on something silly, like their studies.

At the risk of violating anyone's positive space, what happened to Canada? How did the country that gave us Jim Carrey, Mike Myers, Martin Short, Dan Aykroyd and Catherine O'Hara suddenly become a bunch of whining crybabies?

Want to hear my favorite Canadian joke? OK, here goes: Francois Houle! I never get tired of that one.

After Tuesday night, the hatred incited by Francois' letter is no longer theoretical. The police called off my speech when the auditorium was surrounded by thousands of rioting liberals -- screaming, blocking the entrance, throwing tables, demanding that my books be burned, and finally setting off the fire alarm.

Sadly, I missed the book burning because I never made it to the building.

But, reportedly, a Canadian crowd hasn't been this excited since they opened a new Tim Hortons. Local reporters couldn't make out what the crowd was chanting, but it was something about "Molson" and a "sled dog."

I've given more than 100 college speeches, and not once has one of my speeches been shut down at any point. Even the pie-throwing incident at the University of Arizona didn't break up the event. I said "Get them!", the college Republicans got them, and then I continued with my rambling, hate-filled diatribe -- I mean, my speech.

So we've run this experiment more than 100 times.

Only one college speech was ever met with so much mob violence that the police were forced to cancel it: The one that was preceded by a letter from the university provost accusing me of hate speech.

(To add insult to injury, Francois didn't even plan to attend my speech because Tuesday is his bikini wax night.)

If a university official's letter accusing a speaker of having a proclivity to commit speech crimes before she's given the speech -- which then leads to Facebook postings demanding that Ann Coulter be hurt, a massive riot and a police-ordered cancellation of the speech -- is not hate speech, then there is no such thing as hate speech.

Either Francois goes to jail or the Human Rights Commission is a hoax and a fraud.









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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 09:31 pm
And Ann Coulter has the nerve to call someone ELSE an asshole?
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 09:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
Have you been hittin' the Smirnoff again, Hawk??? WTF???
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 11:21 pm
I am proud to be an American, a place where David Duke and his clan are still (for now at least) allowed to speak
Quote:
by Jeff Davis

Ann Coulter is turning Canada’s infamous hate crime laws against the very left wing establishment that created them.

The Vancouver Sun reports: “Inflammatory right-wing pundit Ann Coulter took aim at a University of Ottawa administrator Monday night, saying an e-mail from the school warning her to use restraint, respect and consideration when addressing Ontario students during a speaking tour this week made her a victim of a hate crime. Speaking to students and academics at the University of Western Ontario Monday, Coulter said the e-mail sent to her Friday by Francois Houle, vice-president academic and provost of the University of Ottawa, targeted her as a member of an identifiable group and as such, she will be filing a complaint with the Human Rights Commission alleging hate speech. ‘I’m sure the Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of it,’ Coulter said to loud cheers from the 800-strong audience. ‘I think I’m the victim of a hate crime here. Either what (Mr. Houle) did was a hate crime, or the whole commission is BS.’ ”

Canada has some of the most draconian hate crime laws in the world. Even criticism of the government can fall into the cateogry of being a hate crime. So Miss Coulter is not really stretching things by insisting that the same hate crime laws that protect every flaming liberal organization in Canada, including the government, should be applied to protect conservatives especially if some liberal hack is trying to tell her to not exercise her free speech.
The Sun: “In Houle’s e-mail, a copy of which was obtained by the National Post, the administrator urges Coulter to weigh her words with respect and civility in mind when she speaks at the University of Ottawa campus Tuesday. ‘Our domestic laws, both provincial and federal, delineate freedom of expression in a manner that is somewhat different than the approach taken in the United States. I therefore encourage you to educate yourself, if need be, as to what is acceptable in Canada and to do so before your planned visit here.’ ) Houle goes on: ‘Promoting hatred against any identifiable group would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to criminal charges.’ ”

This man is not only an anti-White bigot, he is arrogant too. In other words, he’s threatening an invited speaker to his university. So much for liberals being full of love and tolerance.

The Sun continues: “Ezra Levant, lawyer and former publisher of the Western Standard magazine, spoke before Coulter on Monday and called Houle’s letter a veiled threat. Seamus Wolfe, the president of the University of Ottawa’s student federation, has already said that Coulter is not welcome on campus and that he is trying to work with the administration to find a venue for her speech elsewhere.”

It has been said that the last remaining refuges of Marxism in the world are Cuba, China, North Korea and western college campuses.

In Canada, anyone criticizing minorities (especially Jews) is hauled up before something called a Human Rights Tribunal composed of a panel of “judges”. These kangaroo courts are not actual Canadian courts (which are bad enough, considering the nature of Canada’s government and laws) but they have the power to force appearance in front of them and although they can’t actually imprison people (yet) they can levy crushing fines which are legally enforced and which can strip a victim of their entire life’s savings, home and property. They can also “recommend” dismissal from employment and criminal charges in the actual courts. So much for putting a chill on free speech.

These bizarre “tribunals” have recently faced serious criticism when Muslims began taking Jews and neocons in front of them for defaming and criticizing Islam, notably Jewish neocon columnist Mark Steyn for an article he wrote in Canada’s Maclean magazine. The Jews don’t like being hoist on their own petard.

Ann Coulter is making an important point with her complaint. Any nation that subjects free speech to hate crime laws, no longer has free speech. The sooner White people in Canada and Europe realize this and overturn these laws, the sooner, they will have free speech.

http://www.whitecivilrights.com/?p=3370
Tai Chi
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 07:44 am
So Coulter's planning on making a complaint to the Canadian Human Rights Commission? She couldn't afford to buy this kind of advertising.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:05 am
@ehBeth,
Canada had all the ingredients for a great country: it could have had English culture, French cuisine, and American technology.

Instead, it ended up with English cuisine, French technology, and American culture.

http://www.instantrimshot.com/
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:30 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

I am proud to be an American, a place where David Duke and his clan are still (for now at least) allowed to speak
Quote:
by Jeff Davis

The sooner White people in Canada and Europe
realize this and overturn these laws, the sooner,
they will have free speech
.

http://www.whitecivilrights.com/?p=3370
It makes no sense to capitalize "White people".
There is no reason to capitalize a color.





David
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:32 am
@Tai Chi,
There were a couple of human rights lawyers on one of the CBC radio programs last night dying to find out how she/her lawyers would phrase such a complaint. They were positively giddy (especially since it was her team that cancelled the event).
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:32 am

Canada sounds like a great place to stay away from,
for people with mouths.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:36 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
There were a couple of human rights lawyers on one of the CBC radio programs
last night dying to find out how she/her lawyers would phrase such a complaint.
They were positively giddy (especially since it was her team that cancelled the event).
Well, the idea 'd be to complain of having been INTIMIDATED
and terrorized by the illegally e-mailed veiled threat.





David
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:39 am
@OmSigDAVID,
sorry David - gonna have to thumb down the bolding
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:42 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
sorry David - gonna have to thumb down the bolding
The bolding is a public service,
to call attention to the part of your post
that I more specificly addressed,
but I see no harm it thumming it down;
that 's OK, too, no occasion for sorrow.

(Note that your response is unresponsive.)




David
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:49 am
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:
Organizers pulled the plug on the speaking engagement because there were just too many people " too many of whom were just too rowdy. [...]

From what I can gather, therefore, it appears that the speech was cancelled by Coulter's people, not by the university, although university security may have advised Coulter that it was unsafe for her to proceed with her planned speech.

But that can't be right -- it would kill the whole conspiracy-against-free-speech theory!
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:51 am
@OmSigDAVID,
my only complaint with the place, we should be able to say what we want

incitement to violence is a concern, but should only be criminal if it's acted on, in my opinion
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 09:48 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
...Coulter said the e-mail sent to her Friday by Francois Houle, vice-president academic and provost of the University of Ottawa...


As Ann notes, that's Francois A. Houle, i.e. French for Frank Asshole.

That's the guy's real name: Frank Asshole

http://cbullitt.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/assholebadge.jpg
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 10:03 am
@Thomas,
Quote:
But that can't be right -- it would kill the whole conspiracy-against-free-speech theory!


the only point agreed upon is that the university did not do it, some reports say that Coulter did, some say that the organizers of the event did. Everyone is in agreement that the security situation was poor, that it would have been dangerous for the event to continue, so the assault on free speech did happen. Those who wished to force her to not speak did win.
 

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