Not what I said.
1.) I am very pro exploration of space. While I am for exploring space, I am not enthused about colonizing space.
2.) I am pro exploration of Earth. However I think we've sprawled over too much of it and less colonization would've been good -- which is different from no colonization.
Jesus, here we go with that Columbus bullshit again. For the umpteenth time, Isabella did not fund the Columbus voyage. She seized the property (ships) of private individuals by royal fiat, and gave them to Columbus. The rest of the cost of the voyage was funded by private individuals.
If you know how to pull off the same thing in our contemporary world, then by all means, go for it.
"Would you have recommended funding Columbus?" How is that a reference to Isabella?
What what the hell else would it mean in the context of calling for government funding for space exploration, bright boy? The Columbus voyage was not funded by government, and if you're saying you knew that, then you willfully employed a non-sequitur.
sozobe wrote:Oh... so you created it as a fake news item? OK. Clearer, thanks.
As for the topic -- I'm just not enthused. The money and resources that would go towards uncertain outcomes makes me itch -- I'd much rather spend that money on keeping Earth (and the people who live upon it) in good shape.
Would you have recommended funding Columbus? Sounds like the answer is no. We live on this tiny little speck of dust in a galaxy of two hundred billion stars (many of which are thought to have planets) in a universe with hundreds of billions of galaxies. Take the blinders off. Colonizing other worlds would be a good thing. And our speck of dust is not immune to disasters of various sorts, just because it hasn't happened lately. If the criterion were to wait until everything is great at home, even the surface of the Earth wouldn't have been explored.
Would you have recommended funding Columbus? Sounds like the answer is no.
It was an attempt to provoke a discussion of space travel by giving an indication of what could be done.
You're seriously putting out the opinion that Man shouldn't have colonized the Earth? To my way of thinking, such a bizarre opinion merely discredits anything in this area you have to say.
First, Brandon9000 wrote:It was an attempt to provoke a discussion of space travel by giving an indication of what could be done.
Then, addressing Sozobe, Brandon9000 wrote:You're seriously putting out the opinion that Man shouldn't have colonized the Earth? To my way of thinking, such a bizarre opinion merely discredits anything in this area you have to say.
...If the answer to that question is "no" -- then how can one realistically disagree with your views in a discussion without ipso facto discrediting oneself?
I stated that the opinion "man shouldn't have explored the Earth" is so bizarre as to discredit someone's views on the subject of exploration. This is hardly equivalent to viewing any disagreement as discrediting someone.
Brandon9000 wrote:I stated that the opinion "man shouldn't have explored the Earth" is so bizarre as to discredit someone's views on the subject of exploration. This is hardly equivalent to viewing any disagreement as discrediting someone.
Fair enough. But 1) Sozobe isn't against exploring. She's against colonizing. 2) In the context of Columbus, "man shouldn't have colonized the Earth" would have been a red herring. After all, man, coming from Asia, had already settled in America for millenia before Columbus. Hence, the Spanish policy of colonizing America was a colonization of humans who were already there. How does it discredit someone to find that objectionable? I think it that's exactly what it was.
Let me make one last attempt by asking you this: Are you making a point about exploration or colonization? ...
So given the current political realities in this country, how would you propose President Obama move forward with respect to space exploration? My own position is that there is no significant support for it in the country and that any effort towards spending money on space exploration would be condemned by both parties as wasteful and extending the budget deficit. Without political support from any quarter, he will not pursue it, but if there is an opportunity to work on an international effort, we could join that without too much backlash providing other countries shared the financial burden. Providing tax incentives to drive private business activity will not be effective because there is no business case for space exploration outside Earth's vicinity.
The really big steps forward are rarely popular or well supported by the man in the street when they occur. The president should propose some reasonable continuation of manned exploration just because it's the right thing to do.