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So. California Wildfires - 3400 homes and counting

 
 
Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2003 10:07 am
Watching the news coverage of this is bringing back all sorts of very bad memories of the Oakland hills fire. We witnessed that fire through the livingroom windows of the condo we were living in at the time. My heart goes out to everyone in the San Bernardino area. This one looks like it is well on the way to being just as destructive.

The 1991 Oakland fire killed 25 people including a police officer and a fire fighter, injured 150 others, destroyed nearly 2,449 single-family dwellings and 437 apartment and condominium units, and burned over 1,600 acres.





http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGA7IYD99MD.html

More Than 250 Homes Burn as Wildfires Ravage Southern California
By Laura Wides Associated Press Writer
Published: Oct 26, 2003

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) - Powerful Santa Ana winds kicked up before dawn Sunday, driving two ferocious firestorms that had already burned more than 200 homes across more lawns and rooftops.
In a canyon at the edge of Claremont, about 50 homes were in flames as the winds swept a more than 34,000-acre wildfire to the west.

"We're not sure exactly how many burned because we can't get up there," said Los Angeles County fire Inspector Edward Osorio. "Our priority of the moment right now is structure protection, not containment."

Closer to San Bernardino, a wildfire that burned at least 200 homes Saturday and was blamed for the stress-related deaths of two residents was threatening at least 1,000 homes. The smoke and flames forced the evacuation of a university campus, Indian casino and state mental hospital, and firefighters couldn't say when it might be contained.

The larger fire, near Claremont, had started in the Rancho Cucamonga area Tuesday and had destroyed 16 homes in San Bernardino County before spreading into Los Angeles County. Osorio said Sunday that authorities were going through the cities of La Verne and Claremont, urging people to evacuate immediately.

At at least one point, the two wildfires were only about a mile apart Sunday, and Ranger Gabriel Garcia of the San Bernardino National Forest's fire suppression agency said he expected they would eventually merge.

Gov. Gray Davis declared a state of emergency for San Bernardino and Ventura counties late Saturday.

"We are taking every possible step to support the firefighting effort," Davis said. He said he called on President Bush to issue a disaster declaration to free up federal loan money for people who lost homes.

The winds had died down as the temperature dropped over night but they picked up again early Sunday, sending authorities rushing to evacuate hundreds more homes in the resort areas of Lake Arrowhead and Crestline, just north of San Bernardino.

Garcia said firefighters he talked to Sunday morning were not optimistic they could save all the homes in the blaze's path.

"First thing they said is they're getting their butts kicked," Garcia said. "They're saving a lot but they can't save it all."

The devastating fire that burned more than 200 homes in and around San Bernardino, one of several burning in the dry Southern California brush, erupted about 9 a.m. Saturday 50 miles east of downtown Los Angeles. Fierce Santa Ana winds propelled the flames across 10,000 acres within hours, spreading to a 12-mile front. Erratic winds gusting to 40 mph pushed the blaze in constantly changing directions.

About 100 miles to the northwest, in Ventura County, other wildfires were raging early Sunday in the hills above Simi Valley's Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and near Piru, where 300 homes were threatened for a time. The Simi Valley fire had burned 47,000 acres by daybreak, damaged 14 homes and was threatening as many as 2,000 structures. It had also shut down Highway 118, the main route connecting Ventura County to Los Angeles.

The fires created eerie scenes before dawn, with jagged streaks of orange illuminating the darkened skies so much that white smoke and ash could be seen swirling above the blackened hillsides.

By far the most devastating of the blazes started in San Bernardino's Old Waterman Canyon.

It forced the evacuation of the San Manuel Indian Reservation's casino and the campus of California State University, San Bernardino, where flames damaged two temporary classrooms and a temporary fitness center. Patton State Hospital, which houses about 1,300 mental patients, also had to be evacuated.

Two firefighters suffered second degree burns, and at least three others suffered minor burns or smoke inhalation on Sunday.

More than 4,200 people had been ordered by Saturday night to leave their homes in the foothills of the San Bernardino Mountains, although some refused, staying behind to spray water on their roofs with garden hoses as flames danced all around them.

Robert Wilkes turned his hose on burning palm trees in an effort to keep the flames from his home and his neighbor's until he finally had to leave.

"He saved our house," said neighbor Dwane Caddell. Much of the rest of Caddell's property was damaged, however. His swimming pool was black with debris and singed palm trees and shrubbery surrounded the house.

The San Bernardino County coroner's office blamed the deaths of two men on stress caused by the fire. James W. McDermith, 70, collapsed while evacuating his home, and Charles Cunningham, 93, collapsed as he stood in the street watching his house burn.

The fires closed highways, cut power to thousands and choked the region with heavy smoke and ash.

Evacuation centers were packed, including one near San Bernardino International Airport, where as many as 1,000 people gathered, including about 50 people in wheelchairs who were taken from a convalescent home.

Hundreds of people sat beside their cars in the parking lot, some watching the burning hills through binoculars.

One family gathered in a prayer circle. Dozens of caged dogs and cats evacuated by their owners lined the roads. Authorities said at least three people were arrested on suspicion of looting in the devastated area.

Sharon Robinson, 62, and her daughter Kim Robinson, 46, left with their clothes and other belongings in the back of their truck.

"We've lived in our home for 35 years," Sharon Robinson said. "Fire has always stopped in the foothills. I never thought it would reach our home."

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Associated Press writer Alexandria Sage contributed to this story.

AP-ES-10-26-03 0948EST
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2003 06:48 pm
Oct 26, 2003

California Wildfires at a Glance
The Associated Press

Major California wildfires Sunday:
CEDAR FIRE:

Size: 100,000 acres.

Homes: 100 destroyed in Ramona alone. No information available on other towns.

Deaths: Eight.

Containment: 0 percent.

Start: Oct. 25 in eastern San Diego County.

Key facts: Extends to Scripps Ranch, Poway, Miramar Marine Corps Air Station, portions of Santee, Lakeside and Blossom Valley, Poway and Ramona. Air traffic nationwide was disrupted when the fire forced evacuation of a Federal Aviation Administration control center.

Personnel: More than 800 firefighters.

Suppression Cost: No data available.

Cause: Authorities believe a hunter set signal fire when he got lost.

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DULZURA FIRE:

Size: 15,000 acres.

Homes: None destroyed.

Deaths: None.

Containment: 0 percent.

Start: Oct. 26 in southern San Diego County.

Key facts: Fire was burning close to the Mexican border.

Personnel: 300 firefighters.

Suppression costs: No data available.

Cause: Under investigation.

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PARADISE FIRE:

Size: At least 3,000 acres.

Homes: 36 destroyed.

Deaths: One.

Containment: 0 percent.

Start: Oct. 26 in Valley Center area near Interstate 15.

Key facts: Valley View Casino evacuated.

Personnel: More than 500 firefighters.

Suppression costs: No data available.

Cause: Under investigation.

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GRAND PRIX FIRE:

Size: 35,000 acres.

Homes: 62 destroyed.

Deaths: None.

Containment: 23 percent.

Start: Oct. 21 near San Bernardino National Forest.

Key facts: Mandatory evacuations in Lytle Creek, Mount Baldy, Rialto and parts of Claremont, Upland and other foothill communities of the San Gabriel Mountains.

Personnel: 2,427 firefighters.

Suppression Cost: $6.5 million.

Cause: Arson.

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OLD FIRE:

Size: 15,000 acres.

Homes: 300 homes and 10 commercial buildings destroyed.

Deaths: Two.

Containment: 5 percent.

Start: Oct. 25 near San Bernardino National Forest.

Key facts: Evacuations in foothill areas of San Bernardino and mountain communities, including Crestline and Lake Arrowhead.

Personnel: 917 firefighters.

Suppression Cost: Unknown.

Cause: Under investigation, suspicious origin.

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SIMI VALLEY:

Size: 80,000 acres.

Homes: Six destroyed, eight damaged.

Deaths: None.

Containment: 0 percent.

Start: Oct. 25.

Key facts: Firefighters are trying to save Ronald Reagan Library. Voluntary evacuations for Moorpark.

Personnel: 599 firefighters.

Suppression Cost: $25,000.

Cause: Under investigation.

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CAMP PENDLETON:

Size: 4,695 acres.

Homes: None.

Deaths: None.

Containment: 55 percent.

Start: Oct. 21 on the base north of San Diego.

Key facts: Authorities are downplaying early reports that fire was ignited by live ammunition exercises on the base.

Personnel: 999 firefighters.

Suppression Cost: Not available.

Cause: Under investigation.

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PIRU FIRE:

Size: 1,300 acres.

Homes: None.

Deaths: None.

Containment: 85 percent.

Start: Oct. 23 west of Lake Piru in Ventura County.

Key facts: The fire in Los Padres National Forest is threatening the Sespe Wilderness and Sespe Condor sanctuary. There are no condors currently in the refuge. Voluntary evacuations in Piru and parts of Fillmore.

Personnel: 780 firefighters.

Suppression Cost: No data available.

Cause: Under investigation.

AP-ES-10-26-03 1857EST

This story can be found at: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGASZ6UQ9MD.html
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2003 06:57 pm
Pictures taken from a friend's house near Escondido at 2 pm. today.

http://bruce.mooville.net/Graphics/MavGlen/Front.html

http://bruce.mooville.net/Graphics/MavGlen/top.html


Two hours later the flames were creeping over the hill and he was packing boxes in case he has to evacuate.

Hope you're in a safe spot, Craven. Looks like things are getting bad down there.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2003 07:01 pm
It's raining ashes and the sky is red but no evacuation has been ordered around me. Just dealing with a bunch of paranoid folk and when they say the sky is falling they have somewhat of a point.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2003 07:03 pm
Our friend GeneralLee is in the vicinity as well.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2003 07:04 pm
Some friends of mine at another forum have been evacuated from their homes in the hills. Other friends have taken them and their pets in.

It does bring back some very bad memories. I sat with a friend during the Oakland fires as she wondered where her sons were - they'd been visiting with her ex when they were evacuated.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2003 10:18 pm
We went through this summer in BC, my heart goes out to all those affected by the raging fires.
Hope everyone here @ A2K is safe.
Ceili
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2003 12:38 am
Indeed - best wishes to all - we know about the reality of fires here all too well....
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2003 10:58 pm
Another update:

Oct 27, 2003

Wildfires Threaten 30,000 More Homes in California; Death Toll Reaches 15
By Seth Hettena
Associated Press Writer

SAN DIEGO (AP) - Ash fell on the beach like snow and drivers turned on their headlights in the smoky daytime streets Monday as wildfires that have reduced entire neighborhoods to moonscapes skipped through the hills of Southern California and threatened 30,000 more homes.
California's deadliest outbreak of fires in more than a decade has destroyed at least 1,134 homes, killed at least 15 people and consumed more than 483,000 acres stretching from the Mexican border to the suburbs northeast of Los Angeles.

"This will be the most expensive fire in California history, both in loss of property and the cost of fighting it," said Dallas Jones, director of the state Office of Emergency Services.

The death toll jumped from 13 to 15 Monday after the bodies of two people were found on a road near San Diego.

Several people suffered burns and smoke inhalation, including eight hospitalized at the University of California, San Diego, Medical Center. Two had burns over more than 55 percent of their bodies, spokeswoman Eileen Callahan said.

Managers of California's power grid estimated that 70,000 to 85,000 Southern California customers were without electricity because fires had damaged transmission lines.

A 90,000-acre wildfire that straddles the Los Angeles-Ventura county line began moving slowly toward million-dollar mansions in a gated community in Los Angeles. California Department of Forestry Battalion Chief Thomas Foley said that in a "worst-case scenario," the blaze could spread all the way to the Pacific Ocean.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., said his home near San Diego was among the hundreds damaged or destroyed. Further east, a small border crossing 70 miles from San Diego was closed as fire cut off roads leading to the U.S.-Mexico border, said Vince Bond of the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection.

The dry, hot Santa Ana winds that have fanned the flames began to ease in some areas Monday, raising hopes that overwhelmed firefighters could make progress with the help of reinforcements on their way from other Western states. But the danger was still high.

The San Diego-area fires raced through chaparral and grass, sometimes sparing one home or one cluster of trees while destroying those around it.

"It would be disingenuous to say we have control of these fires. Right now we are throwing everything we can at them," Jones said. "It's such erratic conditions. These are still tremendously dangerous with very little control or containment."

President Bush designated the fire-stricken region a major disaster area, opening the door to grants, loans and other aid to residents and businesses in Los Angeles, San Bernardino, San Diego and Ventura counties.

"This is a devastating fire and it's a dangerous fire. And we're prepared to help in any way we can," Bush said at the White House.

Gov. Gray Davis moved to activate the National Guard and summon help from neighboring states. He predicted the cost of the fires would be in the billions.

He toured the fire area in San Bernardino and saw "just homes reduced to rubble, charred belongings still sending off smoke."

He was followed later by Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger, who had a fire briefing in Ventura County and praised work by firefighters.

He thanked Bush for swiftly declaring an emergency and said he would go to Washington on Tuesday to meet with federal officials "to make sure that the federal money will come through."

Across Southern California, the sun glowed red and smoke stung the eyes and lungs. Airport baggage handlers wore masks against the smoke and the ash dropping across the landscape.

"My eyes are burning right now something terrible," said 74-year-old Maury Glantz in San Diego, holding a towel over his mouth and nose. "I have to get out."

Even the primates at the San Diego Zoo went indoors to escape the misery. "Their lungs are built like ours so they can be affected by the smoke," said zoo spokeswoman Yadira Galindo.

Many of those who died in the wildfires ignored evacuation orders and were caught by flames because they waited until the last minute to flee, Sheriff Bill Kolender said.

"When you are asked to leave, do it immediately," he said. "Do not wait."

San Diego Fire Chief Jeff Bowman said he was worried that three fires that incinerated 585 homes in San Diego County would merge into a super fire, pushing already strained resources to the breaking point.

A state of emergency was declared in the four stricken counties, where the fires had laid waste to entire blocks of homes, closed major highways, shuttered schools, disrupted air travel nationwide and sent people running for their lives.

People were urged to stay indoors because of the smoky air, and hospitals treated a number of people who complained of breathing trouble.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 12:06 am
It's been pretty nasty outside. I have had a headache all day because of the air. It stings the eyes and sears the sinuses and throat. We have to use masks.

This sucks.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 12:11 am
Yucko. My sympathies...
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 01:38 am
Craven, if you need a place to escape the smoke and have nowhere else offered to you, you're welcome to the couch in the livingroom here in Sacramento for as long as you need it.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 01:40 am
Poor lad won't be able to go outside and smoke....
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 01:50 am
Lord! I have just seen those fires on the news. No wonder people's breathing is stuffed. No relief in sight, I hear?? Stay safe, Craven!!!! How would you ever evacuate all those cats?

Here, people are told to stay with their homes, IF they are prepared. Much was learned from the firestorm that engulfed parts of Canberra last year, because it was possible to research why one home went, and the one next door remained - it was such a large urban sample. I wonder if we are sending fire-fighters again? We did last year...hope so! How the fire-fighters are standing up for so long...
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 01:55 am
Sure I can smoke. Don't even need to use cigs.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 01:59 am
Exactly.


using a filter?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 02:00 am
No, word around town is that without a mask it gives a buzz.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 02:02 am
Eucalypts? Do you WANT to be like a koala?
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 02:03 am
Nice mixture of poison oak and pot. Should have you itching for munchies anytime now. Wink

So, how many cats do you have anyway?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2003 02:06 am
None, one is mine in title only but she started whining today when I pick her up. I take it this is her way of saying 'we are on a break'.
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