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FREEDOM IS RESTORED: 1st AMENDMENT WINS!

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 06:51 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
A corporation IS a person.
The NRA is a corporation.


The NRA is not a person. I've met people; they are made of flesh and blood and walk around. Groups of people are not themselves people, they are something else entirely.

--

So, you actively seek a situation in which the rich control our systems of government to the utmost extent possible? It is clearly obvious that in the absence of regulation, this is exactly what happens. You're cool with that?

I only ask, because your answer will probably be the most revealing comment about yourself you've ever made on A2K.

Cycloptichorn
dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 06:59 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
cyclo, while I personally believe David has been professionally diagnosed as psychotic, I don't believe he is even close to being stupid.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 06:59 pm
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:
Is some big rich corporation decides to stomp out the 2nd Amendment they
can now do it by buying the votes.

I wonder what Bill Gates thinks of guns?
U r absolutely right, Green Witch.
I think Bill Gates is hostile to freedom of self-defense
(tho he was eager to defend Microsoft).
We know for a fact that Paul Soros was against personal liberty
and presumably he still is, but right is right.

We r not going to be hypocritical about the First Amendment.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 07:01 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:
cyclo, while I personally believe David has been professionally
diagnosed as psychotic, I don't believe he is even close to being stupid.
Professionally ?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 07:08 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

cyclo, while I personally believe David has been professionally diagnosed as psychotic, I don't believe he is even close to being stupid.


Doesn't that make it worse? He can clearly see what the effect of this will be, and just doesn't care.

Cycloptichorn
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 07:18 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
David wrote:
A corporation IS a person.
The NRA is a corporation.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
The NRA is not a person.
Ask your lawyer.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
I've met people; they are made of flesh and blood
and walk around. Groups of people are not themselves people,
they are something else entirely.
Uh-huh.

--

Cycloptichorn wrote:
So, you actively seek a situation in which the rich control our systems of government
to the utmost extent possible? It is clearly obvious that in the absence of regulation,
this is exactly what happens. You're cool with that?
The beauty of America, the FREEDOM of America inheres in the fact
that government was created CRIPPLED 37 different ways in its domestic power.
Personal freedom and the domestic power of government are INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL. Do u get the point??
R u able to understand what that means ????

I demand my right to live in a free country,
with full freedom of speech, free press n freedom of assembly.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
I only ask, because your answer will probably be the most revealing comment
about yourself you've ever made on A2K.
Cycloptichorn
I can live with that, but I reject your political conclusions.
I demand the status quo ante before that abhorent campaign finance reform.

This morning, the USSC granted that restoral.

HOOORAAAY for FREEDOM !!!!!







David
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 07:22 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Then I am forced to say, sir, that you are no patriot and that you do not love the American way of life. You are an Aristocrat, desiring our country to be ruled by a group of powerful and rich elite, with the voice of the common man relegated to nothing. You are exactly the sort of person that would have been on the wrong side in the revolutionary war.

I reject your false equivalence between actual persons and corporate persons. Anyone with a brain knows that the two are different; even you know. You just don't give a ****, because it gets you what you want: more power for the rich.

Disgusting. You really ought to be ashamed of yourself for holding such an opinion.

Cycloptichorn
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 07:33 pm
Just so I'm clear, there are still restrictions on the amounts individuals or corporations can contribute, right? This ruling just strikes down the 'censorship' the justices found in McCain/Feingold?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 07:44 pm
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:
Just so I'm clear, there are still restrictions on the amounts individuals or corporations can contribute, right?
This ruling just strikes down the 'censorship' the justices found in McCain/Feingold?
I believe that freedom has been restored there too,
but I have not yet seen the decision itself, only summaries thereof.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 07:47 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
cyclo, while I personally believe David has been professionally
diagnosed as psychotic, I don't believe he is even close to being stupid.
Professionally ?
yes, professionally.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 08:02 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Then I am forced to say, sir, that you are no patriot
and that you do not love the American way of life.
Nonsense. McCain subverted basic American freedom.
He is a liberal; that is not legitimate.
His statute was liberally subversive of American freedom.
The American way of life up to around maybe 1900 was good.
I love that, not liberal deviation therefrom.




Cycloptichorn wrote:
You are an Aristocrat, desiring our country to be ruled by a group of powerful and rich elite,
with the voice of the common man relegated to nothing.
That is false; if it were true,
then I 'd say so. Y, I ask, Y shoud I be insincere ?


Cycloptichorn wrote:
You are exactly the sort of person that would have been on the wrong side in the revolutionary war.
Empty insults.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
I reject your false equivalence between actual persons and corporate persons.
for all the good it will do u




Cycloptichorn wrote:
Anyone with a brain knows that the two are different; even you know.
You just don't give a ****, because it gets you what you want:
more power for the rich.

Disgusting. You really ought to be ashamed of yourself for holding such an opinion.

Cycloptichorn
I support traditional Original Americanism, straight from George Washington and James Madison,
except for legitimate amendments to the Constitution. U oppose that.

U support a despotism in which government controls the citizens;
I support the opposite.

McCain was a traitor.
McCain subverted the SIGs; democracy can only exist in the presence of SIGs
to keep the citizens alert and informed to defeat liberalism.





David
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Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 08:06 pm
Ok, I looked it up. The Court only struck down limits on independent expenditures, not on contributions. Whew!
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 08:12 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
cyclo, while I personally believe David has been professionally
diagnosed as psychotic, I don't believe he is even close to being stupid.
Professionally ?
yes, professionally.
Which doctor? (not witch doctor)
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 08:13 pm
This is one sick puppy we're dealing with here, as Dys has already pointed out. Please bear that in mind and don't be overly harsh on him.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 08:42 pm
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:

Ok, I looked it up. The Court only struck down limits on independent expenditures, not on contributions. Whew!

What does that mean exactly? I don't get it.
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 08:48 pm
@rosborne979,
It means that individuals and corporations can spend freely to endorse a candidate through television ads, or written media (seen as free speech by the Court) but direct monetary contributions (writing a check to a specific candidate) is still limited.

So we'll see lots of the dreaded attack ads from corporations, unions and various companies -- I'll just remind myself to make sure I have plenty of Netflix DVDs lined up about a month before the election.

HTH....maybe someone else can explain it better.

rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 09:06 pm
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:

It means that individuals and corporations can spend freely to endorse a candidate through television ads, or written media (seen as free speech by the Court) but direct monetary contributions (writing a check to a specific candidate) is still limited.

Ok. I get it.

Unfortunately, it's marketing which buys elections. So whoever spends the most money on ads will control who gets elected. So even though direct contributions are limited the end result will be the same.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 09:39 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew wrote:
This is one sick puppy we're dealing with here, as Dys has already pointed out.
Dream on, in your psychotic delusion, Andy. I 'm in the MAINSTREAM.

The US Supreme Court restored American freedom the way it was
for almost the entire history of the Republic. Maybe u think everybody was sick b4 McCain.

It does ' t matter: u lose. FREE SPEECH WINS.

We 've got America back again, like in the good old days.





David
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 09:40 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Then I am forced to say, sir, that you are no patriot and that you do not love the American way of life. You are an Aristocrat, desiring our country to be ruled by a group of powerful and rich elite, with the voice of the common man relegated to nothing. You are exactly the sort of person that would have been on the wrong side in the revolutionary war.

I reject your false equivalence between actual persons and corporate persons. Anyone with a brain knows that the two are different; even you know. You just don't give a ****, because it gets you what you want: more power for the rich.

Disgusting. You really ought to be ashamed of yourself for holding such an opinion.

Cycloptichorn
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. David may indeed be a nutcase, but he's pretty much wiping the floor with you at the moment.

1. Corporate Personhood is not a figment of his imagination. (Research a little before digging deeper.)
2. Celebrating the defense of the very first item on the Bill of Rights is hardly unpatriotic. (What an absurd conclusion, that.)
3. He need not be ashamed of anything he's posted here (yet.)

There seems to be some concern over the Supreme Court trumping lawmakers. There shouldn’t be. In these United States the Supreme Court of the land, NOT the legislature has the final say... and short of a constitutional amendment (that would never fly) this will remain the case. And this is good. While the court has frequently been fundamentally wrong (See Dred Scott, or Plessy v. Ferguson, etc.), it is still the greatest protection from "the man" I've ever even heard of. Legislators were not at all unclear about their intent in the half century of "Separate but Equal" lawmaking... but that didn't make it any less wrong... and we should all be grateful that the Supreme Court had the power to toss a half century of overt oppression out the window in Brown v Board of Education (<-- a must read for those who haven't.)

When the Supreme Court flexes its considerable muscle in seemingly excessively broad defense of the Bill of Rights and/or later amendments, it should be applauded, not cursed. Broad interpretations insure the narrow ones we truly depend on are as secure as ever. When the KKK marches in the streets, I despise them, but I smile inwardly knowing that means I can say whatever the hell I damn well please. When a murderer walks on a technicality it’s a shame… but it is the reason who knows how many innocent’s won’t have their constitutional rights trampled. When a seemingly well intentioned Law is tossed because it infringes on our constitutional rights, this too is worthy of noting as evidence that our system of protection still works.

While I would personally like to see some meaningful campaign finance reform (not to be confused with the watered down half-measure just laid to waste); I would not place a higher value on such a piece of legislation than I do on the constitution. Any bill that violates the constitution is a bill not worth keeping.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 09:48 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
A corporation IS a person.
The NRA is a corporation.


This raises an interesting problem David..
If the corporation is a person then they are also covered by the equal rights clause. That would mean a corporation can't be denied voting rights. I think this may leave the way open for some smart lawyer to argue that corporations are entitled to voting, owning guns and religious freedom.

I would love to see the USSC judges that vote to give voting rights to corporations. I wonder how long they would last on the bench.
 

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