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Food ethics: How do you choose what species are morally wrong to eat?

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 03:35 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
Does the sugar or sweetener somehow balance your diet?

No. It's just something I eat in addition to the rest of my breakfast, just as the Vitamin B pill is. What counts for me is that my diet is balanced after I've added all the pills, sweeteners, etc. If it wasn't balanced before I took the pills, who cares?

ehBeth wrote:
I do think that in many cases, in a generally young and healthy population, it's a lazy way out of balancing a diet.

I take it that, in contrast to me, you don't consider laziness a virtue?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 03:39 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
(I recall, decades ago, coming across the then Soviet fishing fleet while flying over the region on a cold wintry day - there were easily 400 plus trawlers and at least 10 factory ships, all concentrated within a 15 mile radius - an incredible sight. ...)


Any tenth of those trawlers - and at least two factory ships - were "spy ships".
I've photographed (and filed) them - those pics (and data) may still be in some militry agency's archives Wink
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 03:46 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

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I'm not so much opposing your position farmerman, as pointing out its inconsistencies.


Youve tried , just without much success.


Go to hell !! Goddamm geologists....
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 03:49 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
(I recall, decades ago, coming across the then Soviet fishing fleet while flying over the region on a cold wintry day - there were easily 400 plus trawlers and at least 10 factory ships, all concentrated within a 15 mile radius - an incredible sight. ...)


Any tenth of those trawlers - and at least two factory ships - were "spy ships".
I've photographed (and filed) them - those pics (and data) may still be in some militry agency's archives Wink


Well you're right on that score. I was mostly interested in the amazing sight of the huge concentration of ships and the sad fate of a once beautiful ocean liner. It turned out that the intel guys back on the carrier were very interested in the antenna arrays on some of the "fishing" boats.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 03:52 pm
@Thomas,
ehBeth wrote:
I do think that in many cases, in a generally young and healthy population, it[eating vitamin pills is]'s a lazy way out of balancing a diet.

The first time I responded to this, I missed the "out" in "out of". Why would you say that? I would have said it's a lazy way of balancing a diet -- you might even say a lazy way into balancing it. After all, from your body's point of view, the only diet whose balance counts is the one you're actually eating -- including any pills you may swallow.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 03:55 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Im still back on the premise of this thread. Robert was trying to elciti some sort of response that would possibly define a justifiable reason for killing WILD animals, like whales.


No, I am eliciting justifiable criteria for not eating specific species (wild or not).
Eorl
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 05:11 pm
@Robert Gentel,
I'm with the soylent green mob. Nothing is entirely off the table. It would not take me very long in Auschwitz to find whale with a side of French thighs appealing. That's just an extreme way of suggesting that ones consumption morals are the results of many things, including culture, education, and especially apreciation of the biology/philosophy of conciousness but ultimately if you're hungry enough your morals are likely to slip. As the world population grows we are already accepting treatment of animals that would have been completely abhorrent in the past. Actually is abhorrent to most of us but we still accept it, especially if we don't have the resources to make better choices.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 05:15 pm
@Robert Gentel,
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No, I am eliciting justifiable criteria for not eating specific species (wild or not).

have you gotten any closer to consensus?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 05:22 pm
@ehBeth,
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I hadn't contributed earlier to the thread as I can't think of any "moral" reason to not eat any species.


That was merely a " premise setup" line that the author used to try to differentiate opinions on the bases of some higher cause like morals. I didnt buy it either but, have been vocal in screaming about the differences between eating "domesticated" animals and wild animals based upon clearly environmental and ecological reasons. The argument goes totally away when we recognize that we cant plan to eat anything that wont be around much longer.


George, I only have been cursed by "Mr gungaSnake" and by spendi in all my years at A2K. You join an elite group IMHO.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 05:30 pm
@Thomas,
What i mean by typical vegetarian propaganda is the posters and brochures that one will find in coffee houses and restaurants in the student areas of just about any university town in the country. I talk about young, militant vegetarians because people i've seen on the street in college towns, picketing fast food joints, and handing out brochures outside the venues for banquets on college campuses have been young militants. Now certainly, there is a surfeit of young militant anythings on college campuses, but i've never seen proselytizing vegetarians anywhere but in college towns, where they are young, and, so it seems, tend to be militant, loud, even strident. It's not a silly stereotype, just because you are not sufficiently familiar with American university towns, to point this out. The same goes for vegetarian propaganda--you can find it by the ream in venues where vegetarians congregate, and college towns seem to have an overabundance.

The land bank dates back to the Second World War. It has been a favorite cash cow of corporate types with some connections and some spare capital, who will invest it in land which they know the government will pay not to be farmed, because it's listed with the land bank. John Wayne was a big holder of land bank farms. It's ideal from a capitalists point of view--you just buy it, and cash the checks--no maintenance costs, no payroll, you just pay your property taxes.

I suspect ethanol subsidy programs will fluctuate in their utility to politicians just as so many other things fluctuate with regard to spot market prices for petroleum.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 06:37 pm
I've never seen vegetarians picketing anything and I have ALWAYS lived in college towns.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 06:39 pm
Well, that just cinches it, doesn't it, Miss Einstein. I've seen it on more than one occasion, and i've lived in many college towns, including two where i was employed by the universities in question.
littlek
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 07:02 pm
@Setanta,
It doesn't cinch anything except that I don't think it's as rampant as it seems you were implying.
littlek
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 07:03 pm
@littlek,
And, frankly, I can't understand why this topic of vegetarianism is such a charged issue. This thread is a little nuts.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 07:08 pm
I've seen militant vegetarians in every college town i've ever lived in. As i have also noted, i've never seen them outside college towns. Therefore, your claim that i'm implying that it is rampant is a straw man.

As for the thread, the topic is fair game once it has been introduced. But you'd have to ask RG why he was moved to start it.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 07:29 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta -- it's true I'm not yet as familiar with American society as you are. Conversely, maybe you are overgeneralizing from the limited sample of American places that you happen to have spent your life in. For example, about eight years ago, when I first stated on A2K I was a libertarian, you quickly concluded I was a follower of Lyndon LaRouche. Evidently, the conclusion seemed straightforward to you, given the self-described libertarians you had met in your corner of the South. But it was wrong, straightforward or not. You had overgeneralized from a sample that was not representative, and probably too small.

Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, you're doing the same thing again, this time with vegetarians? That you've observed the annoying quirks of the particular vegetarians you have met in the particular college towns you happen to have lived in, and concluded that they must be universal attributes of all vegetarians? And that you are now in denial about the evidence you hear about other vegetarians, because accepting the evidence might compel you to admit you were wrong?

Just checking.
Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 07:32 pm
@littlek,
littlek wrote:
And, frankly, I can't understand why this topic of vegetarianism is such a charged issue. This thread is a little nuts.

Nothing wrong with nuts.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 07:37 pm
@Thomas,
In the first place, you have conveniently remembered the libertarian issue to suit your argument. In fact, i was asking you if you really knew what libertarian meant to Americans, pointing out that Lyndon LaRouche represented the only "organized" libertarians, and then pointed out to you that libertarians in the United States were a very diverse group, and not the part of an organized political party.

In the second place, as i just pointed out the Miss Kay, the militant vegetarians i have met have been in college towns, and i have pointed out that i have not encountered them in other places. They certainly have been sufficiently obnoxious where i have found them to congregate.

Finally, i wasn't generalizing about all vegetarians, or even some vegetarians. The remark from which your particular flight of fancy took wing was a comment of mine about typical vegetarian propaganda, and i subsequently clarified that to refer to posters and brochures i have seen in college town coffee houses and restaurants. That doesn't qualify as generalizing about vegetarians.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 07:56 pm
@Setanta,
VEGEMATERIANS was a title given to these "militant vegetarians" . It was a combination of vegetables and Mother, since it encompassed the strident tones of ones mother remideing one to eat ones vegetables because there were millions of starving people in AFrica.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 09:49 pm
I would not have thought that a thread on this subject - or even its excursions into vegetarianism - could possibly have elicited so much irritability as is reflected on the last few pages. I have gone days at a time without ever thinking about vegetarians, and even longer without caring. On the other hand we have our #1 cranky geologist, already in a testy mood; an apparently frustrated Robert; Thomas at his snotty, baiting best (or worst, depending on your point of view); and of course Setanta in any mood at all. Thaat appears to be more than enough.

Except for a well-deserved swipe at farmer, I have been a model of restraint and reasonableness.
 

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