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Food ethics: How do you choose what species are morally wrong to eat?

 
 
Roberta
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 04:14 pm
Very late to this discussion. Sorry.

For moral reasons, I won't eat an animal that's considered endangered.

For personal reasons, I won't eat anything I don't like--or don't wanna eat. I don't wanna eat a dog or a cat. I don't like reindeer. That's just me.
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HexHammer
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 04:53 pm
@failures art,
failures art wrote:

What is animal wealfare (sic)?
What are you getting at RE: "green"?
These terms has been around like least 5 years, how come you are not familiar with them?
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Mon 4 Apr, 2011 08:33 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Very simple-I look it up in the Bible:

http://www.ucg.org/booklets/cu/bibledesignate.htm

Which Animals Does the Bible Designate as 'Clean' and 'Unclean'?
God reveals which animals—including fish and birds—are suitable and unsuitable for human consumption in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. Although the lists aren't exhaustive, He reveals guidelines for recognizing animals that are acceptable for food.

God states that cud-chewing animals with split hooves can be eaten (Leviticus 11:3; Deuteronomy 14:6). These specifically include the cattle, sheep, goat, deer and gazelle families (Deuteronomy 14:4-5). He also lists such animals as camels, rabbits and pigs as being unclean, or unfit to eat (Leviticus 11:4-8). He later lists such "creeping things" as moles, mice and lizards as unfit to eat (verses 29-31), as well as four-footed animals with paws (cats, dogs, bears, lions, tigers, etc.) as unclean (verse 27).

He tells us that salt and freshwater fish with fins and scales may be eaten (verses 9-12), but water creatures without those characteristics (catfish, lobsters, crabs, shrimp, mussels, clams, oysters, squid, octopi, etc.) should not be eaten.

God also lists birds and other flying creatures that are unclean for consumption (verses 13-19). He identifies carrion eaters and birds of prey as unclean, plus ostriches, storks, herons and bats.

Birds such as chickens, turkeys and pheasants are not on the unclean list and therefore can be eaten. Insects, with the exception of locusts, crickets and grasshoppers, are listed as unclean (verses 20-23).

Why does God identify some animals as suitable for human consumption and others as unsuitable? God didn't give laws to arbitrarily assert control over people. He gave His laws (including those of which meats are clean or unclean) "that it might be well" with those who seek to obey Him (Deuteronomy 5:29).

Although God did not reveal the specific reasons some animals may be eaten and others must be avoided, we can make generalized conclusions based on the animals included in the two categories.

In listing the animals that should not be eaten, God forbids the consumption of scavengers and carrion eaters, which devour other animals for their food.

Animals such as pigs, bears, vultures and raptors can eat (and thrive) on decaying flesh. Predatory animals such as wolves, lions, leopards and cheetahs most often prey on the weakest (and at times the diseased) in animal herds.

When it comes to sea creatures, bottom dwellers such as lobsters and crabs scavenge for dead animals on the sea floor. Shellfish such as oysters, clams and mussels similarly consume decaying organic matter that sinks to the sea floor, including sewage.

A common denominator of many of the animals God designates as unclean is that they routinely eat flesh that would sicken or kill human beings. When we eat such animals we partake of a food chain that includes things harmful to people.

As nutritionist David Meinz observes: "Could it be that God, in His wisdom, created certain creatures whose sole purpose is to clean up after the others? Their entire 'calling' may be to act exclusively as the sanitation workers of our ecology. God may simply be telling us that it's better for us believers not to consume the meat of these trash collectors" (Eating by the Book,1999, p. 225).

The following list, based on Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14, identifies many of the animals God designates as clean and unclean. The list uses their common names.

Clean Animals
Mammals That Chew the Cud and Part the Hoof

Antelope
Bison (buffalo)
Caribou
Cattle (beef, veal)
Deer (venison)
Elk
Gazelle
Giraffe
Goat
Hart
Ibex
Moose
Ox
Reindeer
Sheep (lamb, mutton)
Fish With Fins and Scales

Anchovy
Barracuda
Bass
Black pomfret (or monchong)
Bluefish
Bluegill
Carp
Cod
Crappie
Drum
Flounder
Grouper
Grunt
Haddock
Hake
Halibut
Hardhead
Herring (or alewife)
Kingfish
Mackerel(or corbia)
Mahimahi (or dorado, dolphinfish[not to be confused with the mammal dolphin])
Minnow
Mullet
Perch (or bream)
Pike (or pickerel or jack)
Pollack (or pollock or Boston bluefish)
Rockfish
Salmon
Sardine (or pilchard)
Shad
Silver hake (or whiting)
Smelt (or frost fish or ice fish)
Snapper (or ebu, jobfish, lehi, onaga, opakapaka or uku)
Sole
Steelhead
Sucker
Sunfish
Tarpon
Trout (or weakfish)
Tuna (or ahi, aku, albacore, bonito
or tombo)
Turbot (except European turbot)
Whitefish
Birds With Clean Characteristics

Chicken
Dove
Duck
Goose
Grouse
Guinea fowl
Partridge
Peafowl
Pheasant
Pigeon
Prairie chicken
Ptarmigan
Quail
Sagehen
Sparrow (and other songbirds)
Swan*
Teal
Turkey

Insects

Types of locusts that may include crickets and grasshoppers


* In the King James Version, Leviticus 11:18 and Deuteronomy 14:16 list "swan" among unclean birds. However, this seems to be a mistranslation. The original word apparently refers to a kind of owl and is so translated in most modern Bible versions.

Unclean Animals
Animals With Unclean
Characteristics

Swine

Boar
Peccary
Pig (hog, bacon, ham, lard, pork, most sausage and pepperoni)

Canines

Coyote
Dog
Fox
Hyena
Jackal
Wolf

Felines

Cat
Cheetah
Leopard
Lion
Panther
Tiger

Equines

Donkey (ass)
Horse
Mule
Onager
Zebra (quagga)

Other

Armadillo
Badger
Bat
Bear
Beaver
Camel
Elephant
Gorilla
Groundhog
Hippopotamus
Kangaroo
Llama (alpaca, vicuña)
Mole
Monkey
Mouse
Muskrat
Opossum
Porcupine
Rabbit (hare)
Raccoon
Rat
Rhinoceros
Skunk
Slug
Snail (escargot)
Squirrel
Wallaby
Weasel
Wolverine
Worm
All insects except some in the locust
family

Marine Animals Without Fins and Scales

Fish

Bullhead
Catfish
Eel
European Turbot
Marlin
Paddlefish
Shark
Stickleback
Squid
Sturgeon (includes most caviar)
Swordfish
Shellfish

Abalone
Clam
Conch
Crab
Crayfish (crawfish, crawdad)
Lobster
Mussel
Oyster
Scallop
Shrimp (prawn)

Soft body

Cuttlefish
Jellyfish
Limpet
Octopus
Squid (calamari)

Sea mammals

Dolphin
Otter
Porpoise
Seal
Walrus
Whale

Birds of Prey, Scavengers and Others

Albatross
Bittern
Buzzard
Condor
Coot
Cormorant
Crane
Crow
Cuckoo
Eagle
Flamingo
Grebe
Grosbeak
Gull
Hawk
Heron
Kite
Lapwing
Loon
Magpie
Osprey
Ostrich
Owl
Parrot
Pelican
Penguin
Plover
Rail
Raven
Roadrunner
Sandpiper
Seagull
Stork
Swallow
Swift
Vulture
Water hen
Woodpecker

Reptiles

Alligator
Caiman
Crocodile
Lizard
Snake
Turtle

Amphibians

Blindworm
Frog
Newt
Salamander
Toad

Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2011 09:22 am
@JGoldman10,
What about Kangeroo? I've tried it before.
Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 5 Apr, 2011 09:25 am
@Linkat,
'Roo burgers!
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 10:44 am
Some say it's morally wrong to eat anything with a face. Others say it's morally wrong to eat anything with a face that can smile.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 11:52 am
@JLNobody,
jewish kashreth law basically calls all seafood without a face as unclean
Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 11:55 am
@farmerman,
so then you would expect lobster to be ok - lobsters have faces.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 12:12 pm
@Linkat,
Im a geologist not a rabbi. I have no idea how the rabbis define a "FACE". But yes shrimp and lobster are "Unclean" and they are supposedly "without face". Call your local Talmudic schul
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 12:14 pm
All this talk of food makes me want a hamburger for dinner.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 12:17 pm
@edgarblythe,
with some bacon and cheese and onion and ketchup. DAYUM.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 12:22 pm
There is a new place where the old Dairy Queen once was operated. I would like to try theirs.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 12:23 pm
@edgarblythe,
we have a chain up here called 5GUYS BURGERS. They have the best, THE BEST EDGAR!!. Im tellin you.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 12:27 pm
@farmerman,
Really? THey just opened a five guys burgers near the new Krogers center. Got to give'em a try.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 01:27 pm
@farmerman,
What - hamburgers do not have faces.

Lobsters definately have faces - I often times use my napkin to cover their face so they are not looking at me while I eat them.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 01:40 pm
@Linkat,
you are aruguing with the wrong person. I dont have any idea why a rabbi says a lobster has no face. It has eyes and you have to look underneath to see its mouth. Scallops have eyes too, a hundred or so. They dont have a face either.

If you say that lobsters have a face, ok Ill agree with you but you need to go find a kosher rabbi and give him **** about theri determination.

I say a face has got to have eyes, ears, nose and mouth clearly in place. Now, certain fish with faces are not scaley, whereas a lobster is one big scale so its under the "no face" rule.
Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 01:51 pm
@farmerman,
They have faces and sometimes have been known to dress up...

http://www.legaljuice.com/Lobsters.jpg
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 01:52 pm
@farmerman,
And you can't tell me this baby lobster doesn't have a face!

http://www.wtfcostumes.com/costumes/baby_lobster.jpg
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 02:55 pm
@Linkat,
((THUD))
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 03:09 pm
@farmerman,
HA!. I just found out from a friend who's a kosher keeper> Kosher fish have to have scales (lobster is one big scale) AND fins. Lobsters dont have fins . Kase Klosed
 

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