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Not coming to Australia now :(

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 09:20 pm
Quote:
Student attacks hit education industry
By Emily Bourke for AM/ABC Radio

Posted 2 hours 16 minutes ago


Australia's private education sector says overseas student enrolments have taken a serious dive following the spate of attacks on Indian students.

The most recent violent incident emerged in Western Australia yesterday with the deaths of two Indian students who were allegedly killed by another Indian student after an argument over money.

Industry experts say the Government's recently announced changes to the migration program have also shaken the overseas student market.

And there are now calls for a body to represent the interests of the entire sector to help repair the damage.

Andrew Smith, from the Australian Council for Private Education and Training, says there has been a drop of between 40 and 50 per cent in applications from South Asian countries, particularly India.

"We've seen some fall away from the China market which is another key market but we are also seeing some increases in other markets and we expected over the course of this year, numbers overall will actually probably hold about the same," he said.

"There just won't be anything like the rates of growth we've experienced in recent years."

But he says the Government's changes to the skilled migration program are likely stunt growth in the education market.

"There was a further suite of changes announced last week," he said.

"The disappointing thing from our point of view was that those changes rely on a specialised occupation list being developing and that list is still several months away from being developed and released, which makes it very hard for businesses to plan, makes it very hard for prospective students to know what their options might be."...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/13/2818697.htm?section=justin
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 09:23 pm
@msolga,


Recently announced changes to the Skilled Immigration Program:

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/skilled-occupations/occupations-in-demand.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 09:46 pm
A bit more background information about the skilled immigration changes:

Quote:
Crackdown on skilled migrants
KATHARINE MURPHY
February 8, 2010/the Age


ABOUT 20,000 people will have their visa applications cancelled as the Rudd government launches a crackdown in the skilled migration program.

In a move likely to inflame political sensitivities over the treatment of Indian students, the government is expected to deny migrants any opportunity of achieving ''back door'' permanent residency through the skilled migration scheme.


The changes to be unveiled today will see 20,000 current applications binned; an overhaul of the queueing system that identifies occupations in demand and creates a points system; and state governments will be asked to develop new migration plans.

The Immigration Minister will also gain new legal authority to set a maximum number of visas for a single occupation.

The cancelled applications apply to all offshore general skilled migration claims lodged before September 2007. Refunding 20,000 visa applications will cost taxpayers about $14 million.

Given the changes could have a significant impact on many foreign students already in Australia, the government will introduce transitional arrangements to apply until 2012.

Foreign students who have a qualification for an occupation no longer considered in demand will get to apply for a temporary 18-month visa, allowing them to gain work experience.

The 18 months will also give a foreign graduate time in which to find an employer willing to sponsor their application as a skilled migrant.

If they are unsuccessful in that attempt, they will have to return to their country of origin.

The overhaul of the system will set a new list of occupations in demand.

The new system is expected to favour skilled workers including nurses, general medical practitioners, mechanical engineers and teachers instead of groups such as cooks and hairdressers.

Employers are supportive. Yesterday, Australian Industry Group chief executive Heather Ridout said: ''The changes should result in a better connect between permanent residency and addressing Australia's critical skills needs.''

In a frank speech to be delivered this morning, Immigration Minister Chris Evans will argue that the skilled migration program has not been working in Australia's economic or demographic interests.

''The program has been delivering self-nominated migrants from a narrow range of occupations with poor to moderate English language skills who struggle to find employment in their nominated occupation,'' Senator Evans will argue.

Senator Evans will acknowledge the impact of the changes on foreign students, but argue they can still gain residency if they gain qualifications in professions that are in demand.

He said the current tensions and misunderstandings have been made worse by unscrupulous migration agents.


''[These agents] have been misleading many international students into believing that a course in Australia gave them an automatic entitlement to permanent residence,'' Senator Evans said. ''It does not, and it will not.''


Senator Evans will also argue that the government supports skilled migration and continues to want migrants, ''be they from India, the United Kingdom or China - our three largest source countries or elsewhere''.

''We want skilled migrants on terms that work both for Australia and for the migrants themselves. We need a program with integrity and direction.''



http://www.theage.com.au/national/crackdown-on-skilled-migrants-20100207-nksr.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 7 Mar, 2010 07:21 pm
This is an example of how tricky & sensitive the issue of racism towards Indians in Australia (particularly in Melbourne) has become.

Last week, a 3 year old Indian child, in Melbourne on holiday with his parents, disappeared from his home, under what Victorian police described as "suspicious circumstances".

The community reaction here was two-fold: first everyone was appalled & upset that a small child should go missing, presumably to have me his death as a result of "foul play". Secondly, the understandable "Oh no, not Melbourne & racism again!" response from our community. I can tell you there was a lot of community upset that once again, Melbourne was the target of racist allegations both here & in India.

As we've just recently discovered, an Indian national, living in the house where the family of the little boy disappeared from has been charged over this incident.

But in the meantime, so much flack, so much bad publicity & accusations of "racism" at a time when no one had any real idea at all of what had actually happened.

In the video at the beginning of this AGE article link, someone called Sunny Chandra (who is he exactly?) says: "Let's face it. Racism is alive & well in Australia".
God knows how many times sentiments like this were expressed here & in India before anyone had the slightest inkling about what had happened to that poor little boy.

And you know something? Some of are getting very, very tired of this sort of treatment from the media. It's very depressing & very unfair.


http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/claims-further-arrests-made-over-gurshan-killing-20100308-prf7.html?autostart=1

Latest ABC news update:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/08/2838944.htm
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 7 Mar, 2010 07:37 pm
@msolga,
Ya know, I didn't dare say it, but I was thinking that often such crimes are by someone close to the family.

BUT, every now and then, it is some creep who is a total stranger.

I thought the police handled the sensitivities on this one much better (ie acknowledging that the Indian community was likely to be feeling targeted again).

I think Sunny Chandra has gone from The Age link? I saw the suspect being driven away.

I gather coverage, at least in India, was way more reasonable this time, initially at least?


This is cool:
Quote:
The Indian community has praised Victoria Police for their efforts in investigating the toddler’s death.



But...those poor parents!!! Come over on a holiday and this happens. My heart melts for them.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 7 Mar, 2010 07:44 pm
@dlowan,
Well, I read read an article, last week about the Indian opposition "demanding answers" of the Victorian police... when there weren't any yet.

Quote:
Ya know, I didn't dare say it, but I was thinking that often such crimes are by someone close to the family.


Yes, that what I thought, too. But didn't dare say, either. For obviously reasons.

I haven't followed this closely in the Indian media, but the last article I read (related to this incident) was quite reasonable in tone. However, it begun with something like: "In another racist attack on Indians in Australia ..." Rolling Eyes

dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 7 Mar, 2010 07:54 pm
@msolga,
Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhhh!

Typical ******* media.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 7 Mar, 2010 07:59 pm
@dlowan,
Yeah, I know.

But I'm reaching the point where it isn't getting to me quite as much anymore. Some of the reporting I've seen , especially from India, has just been crazy!
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 7 Mar, 2010 08:03 pm
Oh, I meant to post this last week. Another development.:

Quote:
Safety fear: Indian cricketers cancel tour
YUKO NARUSHIMA
March 3, 2010/the AGE


AUSTRALIA'S reputation in India is testing the unifying powers of cricket after a group of Indian players cancelled a recent tour to Australia due to lingering safety concerns.

The organiser of a tour of up-and-comers from academies in Chhindwara and Rajasthan, Bruce Adams, said negative perceptions of Australia persisted even when attacks had subsided.

''Cricket is the greatest tie we have between the two countries,'' Mr Adams said.

The tour for 18- to 24-year-olds had been scheduled to promote goodwill, pitching first-grade Indian players against local cricket teams in Canberra.

However, security concerns fuelled by negative reports in India have forced six players to withdraw.

''It's really disappointing. There was nothing I could say to change their minds,'' Mr Adams said.

''This is a massive wake-up call for Australia to take responsibility for the actions of everyone.''

Cricket Australia has publicly deplored the attacks, and high-profile players including Shane Warne, Ricky Ponting, Matthew Hayden and Nathan Hauritz have condemned the violence.

''The coverage in India has caused a lot of concern,'' Cricket Australia's anti-racism officer Peter Young said.

''Cricket should be a bridge between diverse cultures and not a divisive element between the two.''


Foreign Minister Stephen Smith was in India yesterday, outlining actions that Australian authorities had taken to quash violence against Indian students.

No Indian tours were in jeopardy over the attacks, he said.


http://www.theage.com.au/national/safety-fear-indian-cricketers-cancel-tour-20100302-pgg0.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 7 Mar, 2010 08:45 pm
@dlowan,
Quote:

I think Sunny Chandra has gone from The Age link?


No, just checked. It's still there. At about 00:38 into the Age video link.
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spidergal
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 12:58 pm
Full disclosure: I haven't read this thread post by post. However, I've got a comment here. I think that the Indian press often goes overboard to set its own agendas. One of my friends is currently on an exchange in Australia, and she says she's never faced any problem whatsoever and the whole racial attack thing is a media hype.

Another story that reached me after traveling through certain channels was that an Indian guy misbehaved with some Aussie women and got beaten in return.

I really don't know what the truth is but I'm guessing most of these guys who get attacked have some sort of role to play in the events that lead to the eventual attack.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 01:10 pm
@spidergal,
That's interesting. Of course, now we have to wonder whether your friend is the norm that isn't worth reporting, or if she's just the lucky one. Anyhow, it's good to hear another side to the story.
spidergal
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 01:34 pm
@roger,
Maybe she's lucky. But I still have a hard time believing that a spate of racial attacks just sprouted up all of a sudden without any obvious cause. The racist attacks on turban-wearing Muslims and Sikhs post 9/11 were understandable - not this one.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 02:07 pm
@spidergal,
Hi, spider, thanks for some balance on this..
spidergal
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 04:44 am
@ossobuco,
Hi Osso,

How have you been?

After two internships in Indian newspapers and two years in a j-school, I've somewhat begun to understand the nuisances of the Indian media. Smile
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dadpad
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 05:52 am
Quote:
I think that the Indian press often goes overboard to set its own agendas.

I dont think the indian medi is on its own there spidergal.
I'm glad your friend is having a good time.

Racsm does rear its head from time to time in Australia as it is in many countries. However it is usually as a result of fear and ignorance and does not usually present itself as violent.
I do however agree with spidies assesment that the indian media seem to hype up incidents.
here is another example. The first artical is dated in January this year and was presented as a nother example of racism in autralia by the indian media. The second is from May this year. Both articals relate to the same incident

Indian govt angry after attack on man
January 10, 2010
The Indian government has criticised Australia for failing to prevent attacks on Indian nationals, after the latest incident in which a man was set on fire in Melbourne.
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/indian-govt-angry-after-attack-on-man-20100110-m08f.html

Indian man escapes jail for false torching claim
ADRIAN LOWE
May 3, 2010
An Indian man who claimed he was the victim of a racist attack after he accidentally burned himself while torching his car for an insurance claim has escaped jail.
Jaspreet Singh, 28, of Essendon, had told police he was doused with petrol and set alight after he parked his car near his home early on January 8 this year.

But police later found he had suffered the burns while trying to torch his Ford sedan.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/indian-man-escapes-jail-for-false-torching-claim-20100503-u2po.html

ABE5177
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 08:11 am
@dadpad,
Singh pleaded guilty to criminal damage with intent to gain through arson, attempting to obtain property by deception and making a false report to police.

and he didn't get prison time??? what gives, PC strikes again??
Deckland
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2010 12:24 am
@ABE5177,
ABE5177 wrote:

Singh pleaded guilty to criminal damage with intent to gain through arson, attempting to obtain property by deception and making a false report to police.

and he didn't get prison time??? what gives, PC strikes again??

Of course not ... that would be racist !!!
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2010 01:14 am
@spidergal,
Hello there, spidergal. Long time no see! Smile

Quote:
Full disclosure: I haven't read this thread post by post.


It's a shame you didn't. The situation isn't nearly as straight-forward as simply the hysterical-sounding reporting from the Indian press. Though I do agree the reactions have been over the top, at times.

Quote:
I really don't know what the truth is but I'm guessing most of these guys who get attacked have some sort of role to play in the events that lead to the eventual attack.


I really don't think you can confidently say that, with all due respects. There have been quite a number of completely unprovoked attacks on Indians in our (Oz) community. Indian taxi drivers who have had the misfortune to pick up drunk & aggressive people in the wee small hours of the morning, Indians who have been attacked late at night when traveling by public transport, an Indian student attacked when taking a short-cut home late at night through a park, an Indian-Australian doctor of high standing who was attacked in a park by a gang of thugs, etc ...
I've personally come to the conclusion that there has, indeed, been an element of racism, in at least a number of the attacks, though the motives for such violence are not always clear cut across the board. There has been a noticeable increase in violence in my (Melbourne) community in recent years & there has also been a huge increase in the number of Indians residing here at the same time. The good news is that violence against Indians here appears to have slowed considerably recently. I haven't seen a media report in quite some time. Fingers crossed that things remain this way!


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ABE5177
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2010 02:35 pm
@Deckland,
Deckland wrote:

ABE5177 wrote:

Singh pleaded guilty to criminal damage with intent to gain through arson, attempting to obtain property by deception and making a false report to police.

and he didn't get prison time??? what gives, PC strikes again??

Of course not ... that would be racist !!!

stay at hom indians mayb e a new slogan??? they got no toilets where they come from a billion people carapping in the streets
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