Has England really become this ridiculous?

@OmSigDAVID,

You're quite proud of England pre-1920 (perhaps the total UK?), isn't it David?

I mean, you're certainly aware who and how many people were able to own firearms those days, isn't it? That time which is generally known as "Two Economies - Two Societies" ...

What Francis and Andrew said.

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There is liberty here, I would confirm.

We're not slaves to an idea born in the 1770s, that was already getting too old in the 1880's.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

You're quite proud of England pre-1920 (perhaps the total UK?), isn't it David?

Yes, Walter; my heritage is from there.
Yes; I can 't claim to know much about the Scotch, particularly,
but what little I know, in a vague and general way: I also like.
U r insightful.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

I mean, you're certainly aware who and how many people were able
to own firearms those days, isn't it?

Yes; I am under the impression that pre-1920, except only for some very slight
and trivial law curtailing use of firearms,
there was no interference from government until after the end of the First World War.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

That time which is generally known as "Two Economies - Two Societies" ...

What Francis and Andrew said.

I love and support laissez faire capitalism.
Government shoud coin the money of gold n silver,
then stand back out of the way, for the most part.

(This is not to imply that I oppose the safety net.
Government shoud be willing to rescue people from imminent starvation.)

David

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

There is liberty here, I would confirm.

O, really ????
If your life, or your child's life, or your mom 's life,
is about to be extinguished by burglars,
do u have the legal liberty to open up on them with a shotgun?
or submachinegun?
How about a pistol? Maybe a revolver?

Do u have enuf liberty to grab a pillow from your bed,
and try to smother the attempted murderers?

or maybe throw your shoe at them like Nikita Khrushchev ?

(Maybe I shoud not use so much sarcasm; sorry.)

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We're not slaves to an idea born in the 1770s,
that was already getting too old in the 1880's.

What?
Freedom of contract?

David

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David wrote:

If your life, or your child's life, or your mom 's life,
is about to be extinguished by burglars,

Thing is, we don't feel, with good reason, that it's going to happen in the next hours, days, years, decades..

In short, we don't feel threatened as you do...

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@Francis,

David wrote:

If your life, or your child's life, or your mom 's life,
is about to be extinguished by burglars,

Francis wrote:

Thing is, we don't feel, with good reason, that it's going
to happen in the next hours, days, years, decades..

I acknowledge that indeed, u do not feel that, but does your feeling protect u?
Will u be OK,
if when the burglars are killing your child or your mom,
u shout to them:
" No, don 't! WE DID NOT FEEL THAT IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN FOR DECADES! "
Will thay leave u alone when u tell them that?

Francis wrote:

In short, we don't feel threatened as you do...

Is there no violent crime in France?

Of victims of French violent crime, in your informal, off-the-cuff opinion,
about how many of them felt threatened before violence befell them? Rape, murder, robbery?

In the instances of violence by man or beast with which I have been confronted: I never saw it coming.
It just happened as fast as the Farmer's deer in his windshield. That is the way the world works.

Tell me that I am mistaken, Francis.

I re-iterate that I do not feel threatened. I live in a good area. I feel serene.
The last time that I felt threatened, I was 8 years old and unarmed.

David

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@Francis,

Francis wrote:

Really, you could do that, David?

O, yes.
U r ez.
U have already chafed under my having a little fun
at the expense of your nationality, of which u complained (understandably)
with the result that I discontinued it. I did that enuf.

Note that I also spared your ego
when u pretended to know what u were talking about
concening that tax matter. I might have had a little fun with that,
but no, I 'm just a sweet old softie.
I can take a magnanimous point of vu, if I wanna.

Francis wrote:

I'm scared..

There is no need of fear; I have forgiven u,
however, we can have a verbal stomping contest
( like the Mexican hat dance; u can be the hat )
just for the fun of it, if such be your choice. . . .

Francis, I don t want to bully u
and I don t want u to turn me into a sadist (French, right?) at your expense.

Ad hominem insolence is off topic and impolite.
I only require of u that u be reasonably polite.
I thought that the French were supposed to be cultured;
(or at least, that is the opinion that thay hold of themselves).

David

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@Francis,

Francis wrote:

David wrote:
If your life, or your child's life, or your mom 's life,
is about to be extinguished by burglars,

Thing is, we don't feel, with good reason, that it's going to happen in the next hours, days, years, decades..

In short, we don't feel threatened as you do...

There's no accounting for paranoia and fears of persecution, Francis.

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@Merry Andrew,

Merry Andrew wrote:

Francis wrote:

David wrote:
If your life, or your child's life, or your mom 's life,
is about to be extinguished by burglars,

Thing is, we don't feel, with good reason, that it's going to happen in the next hours, days, years, decades..

In short, we don't feel threatened as you do...

There's no accounting for paranoia and fears of persecution, Francis.

Y do u persist in accusing me of this?
I have repeatedly told all of u that I live in a state of serenity
continuing from the 8th year of my Earthly life. These concerns are purely VICARIOUS.
I lost the company of my mother many decades ago, and I have no children.

I feel completely safe. I live in a good area and have plenty of defensive guns
and ammunition chosen for its successful energy dump and stopping power.

When I express wishes that the students of Virginia Tech
or Columbine be defensively well armed: it is not because I intend to return
to take more courses in college nor in high school.
My concern is for my fellow citizens, whom I wish to be pervasively well armed.
I yearn to live in an America that is bristling with personal weapons, both overtly and covertly,
in whose use citizens of all ages are very well trained and practiced in tactical proficiency, accuracy and safety.
Violent crime shoud become progressively more, and more and more dangerous to the predators because the victims
are so well prepared to defend themselves. Future victims shoud attrite the predators to near annihilation.

"PARANOIA", Andy, is EGO centered.
I have already been safe enuf for many years.
I don 't need more guns; if I add to my gun collection,
it is in the same spirit as I add to my gold coin collection.

David

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@Merry Andrew,

Note also, that I have never been persecuted.

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@OmSigDAVID,

This is Surrey wrote:

Paul Clarke will be sentenced on December 11.

I couldn't find anything about it (but quite a few other rulings by Guildford Crown Court from Friday) - did someone else notice a report about the ruling? I mean, it was a big topic for many ...

McG? David?

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@OmSigDAVID,

OSD, you are a joke and a bore.

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@McTag,

Aack, I see I have to go back and read this thread from the beginning, while it has elements of the same old thing.

aa

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

OSD, you are a joke and a bore.

McTag, U are hostile to logic, politically correct,
and a betrayal of your English heritage of former freedom.

I (morally) support those held in subjection by your government,
not your government.

David

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

This is Surrey wrote:
Paul Clarke will be sentenced on December 11.

I couldn't find anything about it (but quite a few other rulings by Guildford Crown Court from Friday)
- did someone else notice a report about the ruling? I mean, it was a big topic for many ...

McG? David?

I did not, Walter

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Walter wrote:

I couldn't find anything about it (but quite a few other rulings by Guildford Crown Court from Friday)
- did someone else notice a report about the ruling? I mean, it was a big topic for many ...

You can find such info as:

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Have made some calls and can confirm Paul Clarke's sentencing has been moved to Reading crown court for 18 December...

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@Francis,

Thanks, Francis. (Found that, too, but I rarely rely on twitter informations.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

You can find same information on a few more sites..

People are also asking the very same question as yours..

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@Francis,

Political blogs in England also mention that the sentencing was moved to December 18.

A blogger called "Jack of Kent" has done a good analysis of this case. Here is an excerpt from his blog:

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What happens next?

The case has not finished.

The court is still to pass sentence.

It may well be that the judge will find that there are exceptional circumstances to warrant not applying the mandatory minimum sentence.

This would be done either on the basis of Mr Clarke's statement (on which of course depended the CPS's decision to prosecute) or by Mr Clarke being orally examined (subject to Mr Clarke's consent) in court in a Newton Hearing.

(Newton Hearings are when there is oral examination not to establish liability but to establish the gravity of an offence for the purpose of sentencing.)

This case could still thereby conclude by Mr Clarke receiving an absolute or conditional discharge, or a suspended sentence.

However, it is still possible that there will be a custodial sentence, even if for lesser a period than five years.

Whatever the outcome, any injustice suffered by Paul Clarke will be the result of a strict liability offence, a misconceived and illiberal mandatory sentencing regime, the decisions to arrest and then charge, the decision to prosecute, the decision to not strike the case out, and the decision of the jury.

And at no point so far has Mr Clarke's version of the facts been contested.

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What r the chances that thay will give the defendant
a gold medal for helping the government with its gun control laws ?

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Has England really become this ridiculous?

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