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Sarkozy: No Place for Burqas in France

 
 
Reply Fri 13 Nov, 2009 04:23 am

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/eu_france_muslim_veils/2009/11/12/285396.html

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PARIS -- French President Nicolas Sarkozy says there is no place for full face and body veils such as the burqa, or for the debasement of women, in France.

Sarkozy says all beliefs will be respected in France but says "becoming French means adhering to a form of civilization, to values, to morals."
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djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 13 Nov, 2009 06:30 am
he's right, you should never place a BBQ near the fence


oh wait, nevermind
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 13 Nov, 2009 10:32 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
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PARIS -- French President Nicolas Sarkozy says there is no place for full face and body veils such as the burqa, or for the debasement of women, in France.

Sarkozy says all beliefs will be respected in France but says "becoming French means adhering to a form of civilization, to values, to morals."


That's a risky position to take. He has basically equated wearing of burqa to "debasement of women" and uncivilized behavior. French fashions are usually expected to be a bit provocative, so I wonder if someone else might counter with an assertion that bare breasts or flouncy hats are a debasement of women...
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 13 Nov, 2009 10:57 am
Personally, I do not see the burqa as debasement of women. I do think it makes all women equal in public, in that by hiding one's face, the ugly ducklings do not have to feel inferior to the natural beauties, so to speak.

A face that is seen, I believe, is like capitalism, since some people do have more (beauty) than others. While I think the burqa could be seen as the anti-thesis of such a capitalistic view.

Naturally, the burqa has some religious purpose that I have no idea what that is. But, if I was a postal deliverer, I would like to see that someone taking the mail, that I delivered, was someone I knew. Too many possible confusing situations, if one cannot see a woman's face.

I do not think Sarkozy's thinking is "French," but rather western.

The solution is that certain officials in certain positions have a license to view the burqa wearer's face (veil can be lifted) for an official; otherwise, the burqa would be hiding the face for all other folks in proximity to said burqa. Needless to say, James Bond, 007, would have a license to view faces in burqas. Also, police, traffic enforcement, firemen, postal workers, bank tellers, teachers (when taking attendance), and doctors/nurses/dentists.

The allowing of burqas, might also then evolve to an I.D. card for the burqa wearer to prove the need for said burqa. A burqa can be a good disguise for a man (or woman that has no religious purpose to wear said burqa).

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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 13 Nov, 2009 11:59 am
What if everyone wanted to walk around in disguise all the time, regardless of religion or gender or country. A society full of Ninja's dressed all in black. Should that be illegal?

How do we know that some people don't already wear disguise regularly.
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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 13 Nov, 2009 12:16 pm
Ros wrote:
What if everyone wanted to walk around in disguise all the time, regardless of religion or gender or country. A society full of Ninja's dressed all in black. Should that be illegal?


I wonder what would happen if this guys hang all day long on Wall Street or Pennsylvania Avenue..
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 13 Nov, 2009 01:55 pm
According to his critics, Sarkozy is pandering to his anti-immigrant, right-wing constituency ahead of regional elections in March.

I've read estimates of the total number of women that actually wear burqas in
France to be between 367 and 1000.
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