Strongid C2X Daily Dewormer - A Good Idea or Not?

Always consult your veterinarian before starting any parasite protection plan. He or she can assist you in the diagnosis, treatment and control of parasitism. Precautions: Consult your veterinarian before using in severely debilitated animals. Do not use in horses intended for human consumption.

This product appears to be (active ingredient) Pyrantel Tartrate. which seems to be generally accepted as a broad spectrum preventative dewormer.

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@dadpad,

Never used anything with Pyrantel tartrate.ITs apparently fairly new. HOWEVER.

1Always do a fecal worm egg count to give you a baseline (If you dont have a centrifuge and a microscope, your vet can do this)

2A[pparently there is a chance for cysts being unaffected by the med (cyasthomes cause the dreaded cyasthomisis (sp?). It can really be serious.
3I dont like wormers that are used continuoisly vecause its like an evolution lab. The worms soon begin to develop some kind of resistance and then they "bloom" and your back in the box.

4Weve always mixed up our wormers (Tramisol, Ivermectin etc)

Whats yer vet say? is he up to speed enough on the counterindications ancd details on this stuff?

HERES an article from the Get Rotation Right website.

Quote:

Thief of Health and Hearts...

Last year, 14-year-old Ryan McMillan almost lost the best roping horse -- and one of the best friends -- he has ever known. A thief stalked Ryan's gelding 24 hours a day, seven days a week, unseen and unheard, until the otherwise healthy horse almost lost his life to the vicious criminal.

Frighteningly, the same thief lurks in your barn. As one of the smallest members of a well-known gang, many researchers now believe he is its worst and most persistent felon: the parasitic encysted small strongyle (cyathostome).

Most horse owners today understand the importance of regular deworming, especially in a prescribed annual rotation. In fact, Ryan's horse was dewormed regularly, and appeared healthy before he was struck by larval cyathostomosis, a disease caused by encysted small strongyles.

Unfortunately, many people simply don't know about the grave problems that encysted small strongyles can cause -- or about the only over-the-counter dewormer, in a specified dosage, that is amazingly 97% - 98% effective against all three stages of the encysted form.

Life Cycle of Destruction

According to D. Craig Barnett, DVM, the adult small strongyle doesn't really cause the horse much trouble. "However, the larval stage burrows into the lining of the horse's colon where it can cause significant inflammation, as well as weight loss, diarrhea, and even death in severe cases."

The adult lays eggs that are passed in a horse's feces. These eggs eventually mature into that third-stage larvae (L3), at which point a grazing horse picks them up. The L3 larvae migrate into the lining of the horse's colon, and forms a cyst - thus the term encysted small strongyle.

About 75% of these are early third-stage larvae (EL3), which may remain in the intestinal lining for eight weeks to two years, compromising the nutrient absorption especially vital to health. Eventually, EL3 develop into fourth stage (L4) larvae, emerging from the cyst and enter the lumen of the large colon. From there, they develop into adults, and the cycle begins again.

It is when the L4 larvae burst through the colon wall that those murderous little thieves are the most dangerous. When thousands, or millions, of larvae emerge at once, severe damage can result, added Dr. Barnett.

At the very least, this occurrence might cause your horse to seem a bit "off", with a dull hair coat, listlessness, or an irritable attitude. He looks OK, but that Grand Champion edge just isn't there. More severe symptoms, such as Ryan's gelding demonstrated, might include diarrhea, weight loss, colic, edema of the legs and ventral abdomen, and even death. A downright scary prospect.

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1Always do a fecal worm egg count to give you a baseline (If you dont have a centrifuge and a microscope, your vet can do this)

weeelll Ummm...... studies show 85% of horses in the US are infected with blood worm so is that really worthwhile/cost effective?

You' re right about drench rotations though FM.
Arrelle you should consult a vet about a drenching/deworming rotations because it's not just about changing brands its the "chemical family" the active ingredient comes from.

I understand the purpouse of daily doses is to prevent infection thus circumventing infection and establishment of/by L3 larvae, rather than treating infection.

I'm not really up with all this (especially for horses) so maybe its better if i sit it out.

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@dadpad,

each cyst or worm is distinguisheable in a fecal count. It may be overkill but we have a herd of sheep and when you findcysts in the stool in the pasture, you canassume its all through the herd. AND its really the best way to determine the success your having for any wormer.
We dont do "range pasturing" so when we rotate pastures we can either be re infecting or keeping the stock worm free.

I hate having to check under the eyelids to see how bad the parasitic anemia is, thats really hard on sheep and cows. SO the fecal worm count is a good way.

The way I do it is once every two weeks or so, I go out and snag some doo doo in the pasture . I especially look for dumps that appear less "Thrifty". I bring em back and mix a sample and mix it with a flotation sugar solution. Then I centrifuge and do a count. All these are taken with weighed samples . I do a count with a reticle and I compare em to a U of Penn worm cyst and larvae cheat book.
We keep fairl;y good records of seasonal worm "blooms" and our med regimen. Its a bit of work but its better than unexpectedly losing a good breeding ewe or a top ram when they start developing the typical "bottle jaw" symptoms and then treatment is touchy and not always successful.

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I am going to talk to the vet about this before I make a final decision. I haven't found too many people that have tried the Strongid and was hoping maybe someone on here had some experience with it.

I talked to Pam, the lady I got my Paso Finos from, and she said there is also something called Pantomate (not sure of the spelling at all on that) that is really good. She said it is a five day treatment?

Mac doesn't appear to be wormy and he is wormed once a month but being a thoroughbred, like I said, he tends to run a bit on the lean side. I wouldn't do a thing to cause him any problems and I will research this thoroughly and definitely have the vet completely involved before I make a decision. I really appreciate everyone's input!

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pyrantel pamoate Is what I think your friend meant. It probably doesnt do a great job on tapeworms.

many horse owners here in Aust use (brand) equimax. I believe it is available as that name in the US.

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@dadpad,

tapeworm treatment is the 800 lb gorilla in the barn. We keep an eye on specific symptoms and periodically , when I do a stool flotation for worms , Ill check the tapeworm occurence. Sheep (and I think horses) can get a hydatid disease which often requires surgery on an animal.

We only had a bad tapeworm occurence many years ago when we bought about half a dozen corriesales from an infected flock in W Va. It took a while to get it taken care of and we did a lot of isolation and treatment of affected sheep and also a major intervention in the main flock. Treatment ofr tapeworms in animals used for meat has often been a dangeorus undertaking. Todays treatments , have a much shorter "half life" .

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Okay, I have consulted with the vet. He says he has had good results with the Strongid. He made it very clear that mac needs to be treated with something like Ivermax Dewormer before I put him on the Strongid. He suggested trying Mac on this for a month and then let the vet check him. I am going to take weekly pictures while Mac is on the Strongid to document the change, if any. I found it online for a pretty good price. The feed store here that carries it normally is out and said they don't know when they will be getting more in.

I tell ya, Mac must be accident prone. This morning I went out there to feed them and he had a nasty cut on his cheekbone. Looks like he did it in the middle of the night so too late for stitches but I don't think he really needs them. There is no bleeding and I treated it with antibiotic ointment. I guess Miss Joy probably ran at him and he ran his face into a branch or something.

She is quite the little feisty horse. Mac is twice her size and he will not stand up to her. I guess he's too much of a gentleman.

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@Arella Mae,

Make sure she doesnt get fly strike from the cut, keep the thing clean and dry, fly strike can be nasty on cuts. If you need Ivermectin thats a wide spectrum anthelminth agent and its sort of like a good sweeping. SO if you then use the daily Strongid regimen , itll probably be more successful.

Ivomec is the brand of Ivermectin we use and it does a good job even on fleas and bot flies. We have 2 Sicilian Donkeys who are not friednly with any kind of meds. They will kick the **** out of you if you present them with anything that is not a treat.

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@farmerman,

I just got back in from checking on Mac and his cut. I cleaned it earlier today and put some neosporin on it. I am going in the morning to the feedstore and get some of that green looking salve for cuts. Fortunately, flies are not bad right now and all the times I checked on him today I didn't see any around the cut. He doesn't appear to be even slightly bothered by the cut.

Farmerman, I really appreciate all of your help on my questions about my horses. I am such a novice and I'd rather get advice from a real person like you than just reading stuff on websites.

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Today I received the bucket of Strongid C2X that I ordered and gave the horses their first dose. It is completely safe for a pregnant horse so I decided to put all three of them on it. It comes in a pellet form, like grain, and has a little measuring cup, and they ate it right out of my hand.

I'm going to take pics of them today and then once a week to see if this stuff really works or not. It sure is a lot easier than trying to worm Little Miss Joy and Lulu with a syringe. They aren't too cooperative.

So, I'm praying this stuff works!

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@Arella Mae,

Sounds like youve got half the battle (getting them to take the meds) Remember though, there are several types of worms that you should be keeping an eye on .

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@Arella Mae,

If he has worms, yes. And if I'm correct as to where you are in the South, I can guarantee you he has worms - the only question is how many. From what I know of the Strongid C from when I still had pharmaceutical reps detailing me, I think it's a good product. Remember, though, you need to rotate wormers to prevent development of resistance.

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Heya Everyone! Mac's cut has healed beautifully and there is no scar visible at all so I'm happy about that.

I've had him on the Strongid for close to two weeks I think and I'm really shocked at the results! Normally, you could see Mac's ribs a bit because he ran pretty lean. But no ribs are showing now! His coat has gotten the most beautiful dark chocolate brown color and is thick as can be. I also am giving the Strongid to Lulu and her coat has changed too!

Sorry I haven't been on in awhile to update everyone. I've had a horrible cold but am better finally. I'm gonna get some pics of Mac's progress. So far, I am quite pleased with the results!

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae, I have started my N.S.H (BURNS LIKE FIRE) on the Strongid c2x and the results are very pleasing. The barnowner where I board say's he has the best coat in the barn after only 2 weeks so, that's an added plus. Although he was not wormie, I checked with my vet before I started him on the strongid c2x daily. I use it as a preventitive, and use a" avermectn" every six months.

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@muckin1,

I am pretty pleased with the results. Mac's coat is shiny and I am praying it's going to stay darker this summer. I really don't care much for the light color he gets. You don't see Mac's ribs anymore since he's been on this stuff. I know he's a thoroughbred and they run lean but I don't like to see their ribs. I'm so glad you are having good results!

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@farmerman,

So do you feed Strongid C2X daily dewormer to your sheep? My vet told me to treat my flock with it to get rid of a hook worm infestation. But not sure how much.

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@Arella Mae,

WQe worm the sheep only semiannually or if they show "bottle jaw" and their eyelids are whitish. We mover them around several pastures and keep a drench in theior water every so often but a daily wormer would be waaay to much unless it could be delivered into a feed supplement or watering . trongids are more common on close quarter pasture because the animals are walking in one area continuously. Can you use adjoining pastures as rotation?

Course, horses are a mystery to me but our cattle and sheep seem to thrive on our normal way.

We try not to use any wormers on animals we plan to use or sell for meat. We use th pasture rotation method entirely after one worming with Tramisol a few weeks after birth.

Also, do ypou rotate your wormers?

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@farmerman,

The strongid is put into Mac's feed once a day. It does seem to be helping beef him up but it sure isn't keeping his coat dark like in the winter. Mac gets the color of "frozen chocolate" in the summer. He's still beautiful but a really washed out dull color. I use Quest Gel Wormer every three months as the vet has suggested. It seems to be doing good but I really was hoping for more pronounced results from the Strongid.

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