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New UK 'least wanted' list includes US 'nationalists'

 
 
Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 02:01 pm
BBC report
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The names of some of the people barred from entering the UK for fostering extremism or hatred have been published for the first time.

Islamic extremists, white supremacists and a US radio host are among the 16 of 22 excluded in the five months to March to have been named by the Home Office.




From the Home Office press release
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Abdullah Qadri Al Ahdal
Preacher. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by seeking to foment, justify or glorify terrorist violence in furtherance of particular beliefs and fostering hatred which might lead to inter-community violence.

Yunis Al Astal
Preacher. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by seeking to foment, justify or glorify terrorist violence in furtherance of particular beliefs and to provoke others to terrorist acts.

Stephen Donald Black
Set up Stormfront, a racist website. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by promoting serious criminal activity and fostering hatred, which might lead to inter-community violence in the United Kingdom.

Wadgy Abd El Hamied Mohamed Ghoneim
A prolific speaker and writer. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by seeking to foment, justify or glory terrorist violence in furtherance of particular beliefs and to provoke others to commit terrorist acts.

Eric Gliebe
Has made web-radio broadcasts in which he vilifies certain ethnic groups and encourages the download and distribution of provocative racist leaflets and posters. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by justifying terrorist violence, provoking others to commit serious crime and fostering racial hatred.

Mike Guzovsky
Leader of a violent group and actively involved with military training camps. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by seeking to foment, justify or glorify terrorist violence in furtherance of particular beliefs and to provoke others to terrorist acts.

Safwat Hijazi
Television preacher. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by glorifying terrorist violence.

Nasr Javed
Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by seeking to foment, justify or glorify terrorist violence in furtherance of particular beliefs.

Abdul Ali Musa
Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by fomenting and glorifying terrorist violence in furtherance of his particular beliefs and seeking to provoke others to terrorist acts.

Fred Waldron Phelps Snr and Shirley Phelps-Roper
Pastor and leading spokesperson of Westboro Baptist Church. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by fostering hatred which might lead to inter-community violence in the United Kingdom.

Samir Al Quntar
Spent three decades in prison for killing four soldiers and a four-year-old girl. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by seeking to foment, justify or glorify terrorist violence in furtherance of particular beliefs and to provoke others to terrorist acts.

Artur Ryno and Pavel Skachevsky
Leaders of a violent gang that beat migrants and posted films of their attacks on the internet. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by fomenting serious criminal activity and seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts.

Amir Siddique
Preacher. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by fomenting terrorist violence in furtherance of particular beliefs.

Michael Alan Weiner (also known as Michael Savage)
Controversial daily radio host. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred which might lead to inter-community violence.





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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 02:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
From a comment in the Guardian
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The Home Office has a stock line on these barrings " today, Jacqui Smith, the home secretary, made public the names of 16 people banned since October " which normally runs something like this: "This individual has been barred from entering the UK as we believe he is not conducive to the public good … The government supports freedom of expression, but believes it needs to be exercised responsibly. We will continue to oppose extremism in all its forms.

"That is why we are determined to stop those who try to spread hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country and that was the driving force behind tighter rules on exclusions for unacceptable behaviour that the home secretary announced in October last year."

This is massively problematic: we are in to the realm of defending liberalism by illiberal means. A line of reasoning that the home secretary might not admit to, but one happily espoused by the likes of Geert Wilders, or the assassinated Pim Fortuyn, both of whom would say that the Netherlands' liberalism should be defended by stopping all the nasty, possibly illiberal foreigners from coming in.

While the home secretary's argument is not based on any form of xenophobia, as that of Wilders almost certainly is, the logic is similar: we must stop people entering the country because of what they might believe or say while here. It is pre-emptive sanction, a concept that should not have a place in UK legislation.


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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 02:03 pm
Well, maybe we could give them to Germany.
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roger
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 02:20 pm
The UK wishes to control its borders, and determine who enters the country? And the problem is. . . ?
ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 03:09 pm
@roger,
I don't think there is a problem. It is just that some of us find it amusing that American conservative Christians are being lumped together with Muslim conservatives.

Woiyo9
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 06:27 am
@roger,
What a novel idea.

Wonder if the Obama Administration missed this.

Border control is a Nations right and an absolute if freedom is the objective.
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 06:28 am
@ebrown p,
No asshole. What is amusing is the UK is pro-active in protecting their borders while Obama keeps the sewage pipe open in the South.
ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 06:30 am
@Woiyo9,
Apparently the sewage doesn't want to go South...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 08:03 am
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

No asshole. What is amusing is the UK is pro-active in protecting their borders while Obama keeps the sewage pipe open in the South.


Well, all EU-citizens can live and work in the UK, without (in general) any restriction, even when speaking scatology.
old europe
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 08:33 am
What is mildly amusing is the whole concept that nationalists would be restricted from travelling abroad....

Neutral
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 6 May, 2009 05:48 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Well, all EU-citizens can live and work in the UK, without (in general) any restriction, even when speaking scatology.


Well, all US citizens can live and work in the US, without (in general) any restriction, even when speaking scatology.
ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 08:09 am
@mysteryman,
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Well, all US citizens can live and work in the US, without (in general) any restriction, even when speaking scatology.


You are right, of course. But it is frustrating we have to keep our neo-nazis while we are deporting our spouses, parents, brothers and sisters and friends.

mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 08:19 am
@ebrown p,
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You are right, of course. But it is frustrating we have to keep our neo-nazis while we are deporting our spouses, parents, brothers and sisters and friends.


Are they US citizens?
Are they here LEGALLY?

If you cant answer yes to both questions, then they should be deported.
They have broken the law and should pay the cnsequences.
ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 08:32 am
@mysteryman,
I wasn't arguing that here (there is another thread for that)...

I was just wishing it could be the other way around... and that neo-Nazis, rather than mothers, were being deported.

Just a wish... nothing more.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 09:37 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

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Well, all EU-citizens can live and work in the UK, without (in general) any restriction, even when speaking scatology.


Well, all US citizens can live and work in the US, without (in general) any restriction, even when speaking scatology.


Sure, but I was speaking here about citizens from the other 26 EU-countries, not UK-citizens.
mysteryman wrote:


Are they US citizens?
Are they here LEGALLY?

If you cant answer yes to both questions, then they should be deported.
They have broken the law and should pay the cnsequences.

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