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Putin warns Americans about Communism/Socialism

 
 
Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2009 08:15 pm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2187964/posts

http://patdollard.com/2009/02/putin-warns-the-us-against-socialism/

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ussian Prime Minister Vladamir Putin has said the US should take a lesson from the pages of Russian history and not exercise “excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence”.

“In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state’s role absolute,” Putin said during a speech at the opening ceremony of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.”

Sounding more like Barry Goldwater than the former head of the KGB, Putin said, “Nor should we turn a blind eye to the fact that the spirit of free enterprise, including the principle of personal responsibility of businesspeople, investors, and shareholders for their decisions, is being eroded in the last few months. There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.”

Putin also cautioned the US against using military Keynesianism to lift its economy out of recession, saying, “in the longer run, militarization won’t solve the problem but will rather quell it temporarily. What it will do is squeeze huge financial and other resources from the economy instead of finding better and wiser uses for them.” Putin’s comments come in sharp contrast to Russia’s own military buildup and expansion.

Putin also echoed the words of conservative maverick Ron Paul when he said, “we must assess the real situation and write off all hopeless debts and ‘bad’ assets. True, this will be an extremely painful and unpleasant process. Far from everyone can accept such measures, fearing for their capitalization, bonuses, or reputation. However, we would ‘conserve’ and prolong the crisis, unless we clean up our balance sheets.”

“The time for enlightenment has come. We must calmly, and without gloating, assess the root causes of this situation and try to peek into the future.”
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2009 10:52 pm
@gungasnake,
Putin says what the audience wants to hear - old KGB tactics.
genoves
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2009 03:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
And what does Walter say? Do we not all have a rationale?
Is it possible that Putin may have mixed motives? Is it possible that Putin's advice, though not all totally motivated by genuine empathy,may have enough truth in it to be a viable guideline for our politicians?
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33export
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 06:31 am
Does the average Joe Russian want to return to the good old days of Czar Nicholas ? I don't tyhink so, or any more that your average Joe China wants to return to the good old days of Chiang Kai-shek.

The choices these people had back in the day are't taught alongside the usual stuff in history classes in public schools, so good old P.T. Barnum style capitalism doesn't get much competition in forming mindsets of your average American youngsters.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 06:51 am

I wonder if we coud work it out
so that we can exchange Obama for Putin ?





David
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xris
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 07:01 am
Just let the old guard do as it pleases and make lots of dosh. Send your assassins abroad to kill any who object to your policies...O and yes, let the gangsters sling out residents of their own property so they can redevelop without regulations...Guess what? nothing has changed, just the same old nasties with better quality suits on.
Krumple
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 07:13 am
@xris,
xris wrote:

Just let the old guard do as it pleases and make lots of dosh. Send your assassins abroad to kill any who object to your policies...O and yes, let the gangsters sling out residents of their own property so they can redevelop without regulations...Guess what? nothing has changed, just the same old nasties with better quality suits on.


Yeah just keep up with your denial there Xris.

"In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive."

This quote is also what I have warned you about a dozen times now but you just keep up with your rhetoric. Long term socialism will ultimately destroy technological advances because there is no incentive to be creative.

xris
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 07:21 am
@Krumple,
Whose denying this authoritarian communist regime was destructive and morose? did I? Its the same guys in charge , so what are they politically? you tell me? Gangsters are gangsters no matter what garb they wear.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 10:25 am
@xris,
There was an opportunity sitting there in 1990 to make an ally out of Russia and between the IMF gangsters, the neocons trying to ruin the place and SlicKKK KKKlintler bombing an innocent Orthodox nation for 80 days and nights for no rational reason, the opportunity was blown.
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melonkali
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 09:47 am
@gungasnake,
Thanks for posting this interesting excerpt. I'd not read it before, but I tracked it down. A (nearly) complete transcript of Putin's lengthy and complex speech at Davos (January, 2009) can be found at the following Wall Street Journal link. Putin details an impressive analysis of the global economy:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123317069332125243.html

As you can read, Putin addresses the specifics of several global and national economic issues --his comments cannot be whittled down to a simple "socialism" vs. "capitalism" argument.

Very generally speaking, Putin's economic reforms in Russia strengthened Russia's social safety net for working and lower classes, while "pulling the rug out from under" irresponsible investors, oligarchs and profiteers by refusing to support their mistakes with state funds. The increased Russian military expenditures alluded to in the OP's original commentary are part of a much broader Russian economic reform strategy which includes specific checks and balances to prevent the potentially disastrous "military Keynesianism" Putin warned against in the speech.

There's plenty of fodder for debate in Putin's speech and in the economic reforms he has instituted in Russia. I'm not expert enough in economics to go very deeply into such a debate, but even I can see that biased or overly simplistic excerpts from Putin's speech or his economic reforms in Russia are not a good starting point.

Putin's speech and the history of his economic reforms in Russia made for a fascinating read. Thanks again for posting this.

rebecca
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 11:29 am
@melonkali,
I view this guy as the best ruler Russia has ever had since Tsar Peter.
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xris
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 12:15 pm
A strong leader but just another gangster with an armani suit on. His personal wealth is considered to be in the billions, if not trillions and the idea that it is free and democratic economy, is just bonkers. Certain amount of the economic wealth has dribbled down but considering the countries wealth many of its citizens still live in unnecessary abject poverty. He is the Russian equivalent of a mafia god father. But as a capitalist, he might just appear a hero. Funny how the same man when preaching a different ideology can turn from a demon to an angel.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 04:16 pm
@xris,
I notice I don't see anybody bombing Orthodox countries for no rational reason any more...
xris
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 03:16 am
@gungasnake,
But I see him spying on his new found friends...Communism, capitalism different dogma same bandits.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 04:01 am
@xris,
my impression is similar.
xris
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 12:32 pm
@roger,
Communism is dismantled and detested by the example of Russia but now we see the same gangsters who abused the communist ideology embracing capitalism and we are supposed to admire them, what a joke..
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 12:37 pm
@xris,
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But I see him spying on his new found friends..


What exactly do you see us as having done to cause Russians to think of us as friends?? ????????

I mean, there WAS an opportunity sitting there in the late eighties and early nineties to make a friend out of Russia, but between the neocons and the IMF and SlicKKK KKKlintler bombing Yugoslavia for no rational reason, we sort of blew it.
xris
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 01:40 pm
@gungasnake,
Its your admiration of this gangster that made me assume you felt him good enough to be our friend..You admired his stance and his opposition to socialist ideology. What do you think of him now?
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