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Overview of hamas use of human shields

 
 
Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 09:56 am

http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11275394.html

http://www.liveleak.com/e/45c_1231682078
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 10:59 am
Israel has a long history of using human shields much more literally than Hamas can be accused of, and the IDF fought the legal attempts to stop them:

IDF to appeal human shield ban
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Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz is prepared to make a personal appearance in court to defend the practice, ministry officials added.

Human rights groups have frequently condemned the use of human shields.

The Israeli military believes that the use of Palestinian civilians can often defuse a tense situation.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40879000/jpg/_40879524_shield203ap.jpg


Israel has frequently forced Palestinians to knock on houses they suspect are booby-trapped or that have gunmen in them. This is a literal use of human shields that makes their frequent justification of their collateral damage due to "human shields" that much more cynical.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 11:16 am
@Robert Gentel,
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Israel has frequently forced Palestinians to knock on houses they suspect are booby-trapped or that have gunmen in them. This is a literal use of human shields that makes their frequent justification of their collateral damage due to "human shields" that much more cynical.


Don't you have to ask yourself why the Israelis would even bother in such situations? I mean, wouldn't Uncle Adolf (or anybody else for that matter) simply flatten the house with a bomb or artillery round?

I mean that sounds a hell of a lot like Israelis trying to get at terrorists while sparing any innocents who might be in the house when they could easily serve their own minimal needs by simply killing EVERYBODY in the house.

Comparing that to hamas' tactics is clearly brain-dead.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 11:23 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

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Israel has frequently forced Palestinians to knock on houses they suspect are booby-trapped or that have gunmen in them. This is a literal use of human shields that makes their frequent justification of their collateral damage due to "human shields" that much more cynical.


Don't you have to ask yourself why the Israelis would even bother in such situations? I mean, wouldn't Uncle Adolf (or anybody else for that matter) simply flatten the house with a bomb or artillery round?

I mean that sounds a hell of a lot like Israelis trying to get at terrorists while sparing any innocents who might be in the house when they could easily serve their own minimal needs by simply killing EVERYBODY in the house.

Comparing that to hamas' tactics is clearly brain-dead.


Ah, so using human shields is sometimes the right thing to do?

It's clear that you don't consider the Palestinians to be people at all. Do you?

Cycloptichorn
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Zippo
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 11:55 am
Well said Robert Gentel and Cyclo,

http://www.palestineremembered.com/images/dailymail_humanshield.jpg

Racism in Israel

http://attendingtheworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/israeli-children-attacking-arab-woman.jpg
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 12:46 pm
Apparently the use of human shields has occurred in recent history enough to warrant a wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 01:20 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Didn't notice it at first but you've got a sort of a problem with basic logic there.

Why should anybody believe that people so perfectly willing to strap bomb belts on their own kids and use civilians as cover for rocket and mortar fire would give a rats ass about shooting through one of their own number to kill Israeli soldiers standing right behind him???

I'd have to assume that some of what I'm seeing here is slammite propaganda, as usual.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 01:50 pm
@gungasnake,
gunga,

You are being willfully ignorant now. The practice was very well documented. You can see a video of it from BBC here:



Furthermore, the Israeli supreme court put a temporary injunction on it in 2002 after a teenager was killed when forced to negotiate with gunmen. Israeli chief justice Aharon Barak said, "You cannot exploit the civilian population for the army's military needs, and you cannot force them to collaborate with the army."

So you can pretend it didn't happen if you want to, but the IDF fought to keep the practice and the Israeli supreme court forbade them from doing so.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 01:59 pm
@Robert Gentel,
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So you can pretend it didn't happen if you want to, but the IDF fought to keep the practice and the Israeli supreme court forbade them from doing so.


Sounds like something which might have happened once or twice and then Israel's own legal system stopped it and again there's a problem with logic in believing any one such claim.

Constrast hamas for which that kind of **** is basic policy with no regrets whatever.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 02:01 pm
Another take on the topic...

http://www.jewishpress.com/pageroute.do/37864/
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2009 02:02 pm
@gungasnake,
No, it happened systemically many more times than once or twice, but yes Israel's legal system should be commended for ordering a temporary injunction against it.

That doesn't mean it was stopped, but most observing agencies agree it caused a marked decrease in the practice.
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