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Why does crime exist? what do poor people do when they cant eat?

 
 
OGIONIK
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 06:21 am
@OCCOM BILL,
read thru it quite carefully, we share a lot of similar experiences.

was a great post , from a global perspective.
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 06:41 am
@OGIONIK,
Good. That was the sole purpose of my post. Now read it again.
(You owe Robert at least 5 job applications for going to that much trouble.)
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 06:54 am
@OGIONIK,
Quote:
They didn't allow me to go to school, watch tv, listen to the radio, read outside literature, listen to outside music. I wasn't allowed outside the house except for rare excursions, and wasn't allowed to socialize with outsiders.


Cripes!! That's a mountain to climb.

I wouldn't want to disagree with anything Bob's said and his main point that we have all won the lottery is correct. Assuming good health and no unfortunate dispositions.

But there are no easy answers I'm afraid. Personal characteristics are very important. Many people, and OGI seems a candidate, would find a lot of Bob's advice difficult to take and impossible to follow through. If I have a quibble with his advice it is that he doesn't take individual differences into account. Physical ones are a large factor as well as personality traits.

I spent six years training recruits. 90 a year. Even though they had been selected by various panels there were vast differences. A few dropped out (1 or 2 a year) but the rest were forced through one way or another and are now on easy street.

But OGI wants the freewheelin' life. To travel the world. A rolling stone. My advice for that is to learn to play at snooker and other sports. There's hardly a town in the ex-Empire where there is no snooker played. You can get mates in a day if you can play averagely well and you are personable. Avoid being quick to take offence. Those mates will get you a job if you want one. Playing cricket is even better.

I think it very important to be interested in things and to recognise people it is worth being friendly with. You could walk into, say, an Obama campaign office and offer to do legwork and lick envelopes. A week of that and you have your feet under the table. People like to help other people. It makes them feel good about themselves. Older men and women are a pushover if they like you so make them like you.

And DON'T get any girls pregnant. That's No 1 in my book unless you can walk away easily like a good, pious Darwinian.

osso suggests reading. For sure. Imperative. But what? Well-the famous stuff is where to start. Frank Harris is mandatory for young lads. Henry Miller. Stendhal. Fielding. Flaubert. Mailer. Haggard. Anything authentic.

"Life is sad, life is a bust.
All you can do is do what you must.
Do what you must do and do it well." Bob Dylan.

You don't make all your own luck--just most of it. And if you don't expect much at least you won't be disappointed.

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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 06:56 am
@OCCOM BILL,
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Though I suspect actually reading it may prove too much for him...


**** off!
OGIONIK
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 07:07 am
@spendius,
i know spendius! i was talking to my father, and he was complaining about me not working 5 days a week, as usual, and i was like dad, seriously, im the only kid in the family with a job, only one who graduated, and im the only one who doesnt have a kid, including all of my friends. ALL of them.

he was like, you know what right on, i never thought much of it..
it kept him quiet for a week now.

Very Happy
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 08:28 am
@OGIONIK,
The problem here is that you're comparing yourself to your family. Take a look at your family. Is that the baseline comparison you really want? If all you can say is that "Hey, at least I'm not as bad off as my ass-hole drug addict brother" then you're really setting the bar low.

You need to look at people who make as much money as you want to make and compare your situation to them.


....and yeah, that means I'm telling you to work 5 days a week (if not 6 or 7).
OGIONIK
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 08:56 am
@maporsche,
oh my god you wont believe what i just did, im so fuckign dumb i swear im a ******* idiot.

i lost my wallet with my buspass, i have to work in 15 minutes..

i missed 2 days a few eeks ago and i did a no call no show because i wasnt aware i had work that day, they changed schedules

man im done for.. game over..


if the bus station doesnt find it thats it,no id, no social security card, no payroll card, wait i took my social out YAY...

and most important no transportation.

DAMNIT!!!! that was the most idiotic thing i could have done, how did i lose it? i swear i put it in my pocket, hopefully the cute dark skinned girl talking about that vampire book next to me is a good hearted person...

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHbhh
Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 09:14 am
I also had a fucked up childhood..little or no guidance until I was forced to move in with my aunt at 15 after a major problem with the law...and by then guidance was a little late.

I allowed my anger to drive me and my guiding principle became making a living doing exactly as I pleased and rubbing people's faces in it. It worked for me. Although time, experience and the general mellowing of ages has calmed me down...I haven't changed that much.

Turn your feelings into action. If you're willing to apply the discipline necessary to obtain it...money is one of the easiest things to get...and although it can't buy happiness, as Diamond Dave says it can buy you a boat big enough to pull up alongside happiness.

Get to work.
OGIONIK
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 10:43 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
**** i have to walk to work today.

eh ive walked further..

4 hour walk across the enitre city, nothing compared to this 45 minute trek.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 10:56 am
@OGIONIK,
ogi, Don't be too hard on yourself; many of us did the same or much more stupid stuff during our growing up years. Even after retirement, most of us do dumb stuff, but the nice thing about aging is that our memory doesn't make us feel as guilty for any length of time; senility kicks in.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 11:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
It's easy granting yourself absolution ci. That's one big reason irreligion is popular.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 11:45 am
@spendius,
We all know you never screw up, spendi. Your brain is so fuzzy from your consumption of beer, you don't need absolution.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 11:54 am
@OGIONIK,
Sat 29 Nov, 2008 08:56 am, OGIONIK wrote:


oh my god you wont believe what i just did, im so fuckign dumb i swear im a ******* idiot.

i lost my wallet with my buspass, i have to work in 15 minutes..

1 hour and 49 minutes later...

Sat 29 Nov, 2008 10:43 am,OGIONIK wrote:

**** i have to walk to work today.


This isn't what was meant by trying harder...
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 03:31 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
I had a Latin teacher who used to talk like that Bill. Father Snotrag we called him. He would say TRY!----ING!!---HAR!!!---DER!!!! and on each beat, with increasing intensity, he would knuckle our foreheads right where it hurts most.

There are some types who it just doesn't work on. I'm not saying OGI is such a type but I suspect him of being. And we need to work with what we've got not what we would like if we are going to set him on the path to fame and fortune.

OGIONIK
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 03:32 pm
@spendius,
**** fame, i want my own house, and i would be happy as a camper with some grahm crackers.
JPB
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 04:13 pm
@OGIONIK,
OGIONIK wrote:
i want my own house


Sounds like a goal to me.

Now, what's it going to take to make it happen...

1) Employment suitable to qualify for a mortgage

2) Keep steady employment for at least 2-years so the bank sees you as serious.

3) Investigate state and federal first-time home buyer programs (not the sub-prime crap we're seeing in the press) that are geared to putting first-time home buyers into a house.

4) Establish a credit rating. Buy something on credit AND PAY IT OFF ON TIME!!!! You know those 12-month free credit deals? Get one and pay it off in 11 months so that you don't trigger the interest charges. It doesn't matter what it is --- a refrigerator at Sears or a stereo at your local big box store. Having a credit reference/history is a big plus when you apply for a mortgage.

5) Set aside 3 - 8% of your income to cover whatever earnest money and down payment requirements are necessary to cover your loan application.

6) Set your sites on a target not a time-frame. **** happens. You don't know how long it's going to take to reach your goal but reach it you can/will if you stay focused.




OGIONIK
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 04:16 pm
@JPB,
i try to save 20%.

every bill i put away a twenty..

but then i dont make enough to do that but my hours are back up thank you black friday of death.. ur good for somethin..
JPB
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 04:21 pm
@OGIONIK,
And quit the other people have a stake in my destiny bs.

YOU have a stake in your destiny.

Folks here care enough to help you get there but your future doesn't depend on anyone else's spending habits.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 04:24 pm
@OGIONIK,
It was a mere fancy OGI. Just fortune then.

Why do you want your own house when you want to travel the world with one hand waving free. Houses are shackles. Look at the lengths we go to to crash them off. Not me though.

What about bartending? You're outgoing enough and a bit edgy in your speech. Not bad at banter. Help out in the kitchen and eat free. I daresay you could fill three pints at once, give the change to the previous punter, take an order from the next one and goose a barmaid all at the same time. Learn the trade. Work your way up. Get a chain of pubs. Tell your staff to try harder. It's been done.

OGIONIK
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2008 04:29 pm
@spendius,
good suggestion. reallyy good, omg i know the food and beverage manager at tao.. thats the most expensive club in las vegas, but i mean, yeah well see..

well, looks and image are everything at the high end places and i have a lazy eye, which is a big deal, to them not me.

and i cant play counter strike anymore, if anyone has a kid with a lazy eye, counter strike is a veyr good eye strengthener.

any first person shooter are good! it works!
 

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