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Sweden urged to ban animals sex after newspaper expose on bestiality

 
 
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November 12, 2008
Sweden urged to ban animals sex after newspaper expose on bestiality
Roger Boyes in Berlin

Sweden, one of the world's most sexually tolerant societies, is in the throes of a strange, emotionally charged debate about the last taboo: bestiality.

The unmasking this week of an animal sex network by the Stockholm newspaper Expressen has again highlighted the issue. Members of parliament are urging a tightening of the laws (bestiality was decriminalised along with homosexuality in 1944) but the government is resisting the pressure.

“Should a human be allowed to affectionately stroke the teats of a female dog?" asked Eskil Erlandsson, the Agriculture minister, explaining the complexities of an anti-bestiality law, "or does that count as the sexual abuse of an animal?" The minister, famed for his outspoken manner, left many Swedes aghast when he gave an even more explicit example. “What is, what would be, the legal position of someone who spreads an attractive-smelling substance on his sexual parts to encourage a dog to lick it off?"

The Minister's concern was stirred by figures and projections from animal welfare groups. One, the Swedish Animal Welfare Agency, registered 115 cases of bestiality between 2000 and 2005. This is regarded however as the tip of the iceberg and some published projections suggest that between 200 and 300 dogs and cats a year are being sexually assaulted.

The Expressen story has stoked up the debate even more. It infiltrated a reporters into a group run by the organiser of a flourishing internet animal sex forum. He owns a farm with dogs and horses and told the newspaper that he had regular sex with his female dog but only when she was on heat: "She was the one who backed into me and provoked it." This is a sufficient defence under current Swedish laws to prevent prosecution under charges of animal cruelty.

The network of around 30 people, mainly men, organise regular rendezvous with different farmyard animals and dogs. The events are often filmed for later use in pornographic films. “We tried with a donkey," a member of the group told Expressen, “but it wasn't successful. So we had sex with a goat."

Sweden has had a pioneering approach towards sex, at least since the 1960s when critically acclaimed films such as I am Curious Yellow depicted the society's free-wheeling attitudes. The country was one of the first to shed the stigma of single motherhood and, while Swedes talk less about sexual matters nowadays than 30 years ago, they are still pushing back the boundaries. Pharmacies, for example, have just been authorised to sell female sex toys across the counter. Legal limits are set mainly on the commercial exploitation of sex: thus, while prostitution is technically legal, customers are seen as offenders who exploit and abuse women. Cameras have been set up near the entrances of brothels and clients leaving the premises can be fined on the spot.

But bestiality and the whole seedy sub-culture surrounding it is straining Swedish tolerance to bursting point. Religious Swedes say it violates a fundamental taboo: a passage from Leviticus 18 states: “And you shall not lie with any beast and defile yourself with it, neither shall any woman give herself a beast to lie with it: it is a perversion." In the Middle Ages, men were typically burned to death for having sex with animals. Most countries nowadays either outlaw the practice entirely (most states in the US) or prosecute penetrative sex with animals (Britain). Sweden, though, has not taken a religion-based stance. Rather, it seems to accept the idea that sex with animals can be in some way consensual. If it causes injury to the animal it can be prosecuted, although in practice only two out of the 115 cases registered have ever been investigated.

Jan Ertsborn, a Liberal member of parliament, told the Swedish-based news website thelocal.se: “Veterinarians see a lot of injuries that they believe are caused by this behaviour but it is difficult to prove." Mr Ertsborn is leading the campaign to impose a legal ban on bestiality. A national petition has been launched in support of his initiative and it is supported above all by equestrians anxious about the numbers of "horse-rippers", cases of people who clamber over farm fences at night and attempt to rape female horses. A similar wave of horse abuse has been noted in Germany.

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At one meeting in a small village in Småland, five men waited for a woman who had promised to bring along two dogs. But when she was unable to make it to the meeting, the men spoke instead of their experiences, including a previous visit to a colleague they referred to as "donkey man".

"He has a goat and a couple of donkeys. We tried with a donkey but it didn't work. But we did have sex with the goat," one of the men told Expressen.

Previous calls for a law banning sex with animals have fallen on deaf ears. Agriculture Minister Eskil Erlandsson outraged many observers earlier this year with a graphic defence of existing animal abuse laws, in which he presented examples of the difficulties faced by courts when trying to differentiate affection from abuse.

"Is it, and should it be, legal to spread something on the genitalia that might smell or taste nice to a dog, in order to allow the dog to lick off whatever is spread on the genitalia?

"Should it be permitted to stroke a bitch's teats with love, or should it be classified as animal sexual abuse?" the minister wondered.

According to the Swedish Animal Welfare Agency, 115 cases of bestiality were reported in the years 2000 to 2005.

Despite indications that many of the animals had sustained injuries, none of the reports led to criminal charges.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2008 12:57 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Well, that shoots your vacation all to hell, huh Walt?
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saab
 
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Reply Fri 14 Nov, 2008 11:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I really wouldn´t say it is one of the most sexually tolerant country.
In Sweden prostitution is against the law and by visiting a prostitut you get punished with day´s fine up to 700 euro and you might also loose your job.
In Denmark there are animal brothels which are visited by Norwegians, Swedes and also many Germans.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 16 Nov, 2008 10:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
[url]...about the last taboo: bestiality.[/url]

The last one?

How long as pedophilia and necrophilia been acceptible in Sweden?
saab
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 12:48 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
How long as pedophilia and necrophilia been acceptible in Sweden?
Pedophilia certainly is not accepteble in Sweden. The punishment is prison or mental hospital and for years.
Regarding necrophilia it is not acceptable in Sweden but how the punishment is I don´t know
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 12:55 am
@saab,
I only asked because the article indicated that bestiality was the last taboo.

I am glad to learn the land of my forefathers has not sunken so low as to accept any and all perversions.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 01:00 am
@saab,
In the Sweidish criminal law, necrophilia is described as "disturbing the peace of a dead". It's a crime, but mostly/generally - according to ICD 10, F65.8 [paraphilia] - people are send to psychiatric hospitals. (Same in most other countries as far as I know.)

Convicted child molesters additional get the option of “chemical castration” (like in Germany, Switzerland, the UK, Denmark ....).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 01:02 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
'Taboo' and 'perversion' are very personal expressions, I think.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 01:15 am
@saab,
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In Denmark there are animal brothels which are visited by Norwegians, Swedes and also many Germans.


If so then perhaps the muslims are correct in damning Denmark to an Islamic hell.

Legal prostitution.
Live sex shows of and for adults only.
All sorts of bizzare but consentual and non-violent acts of sex between adults.

I have a moral problem with these practices, not because of any puritanical notion of sex, but because they are reflections of deeper flaws in the character of their purveyors and practioners. One does not reach these hedonistic limits without having an emptiness that cannot be filled.

Nevertheless, as long as children or the mentally incompetent are not involved, and no one is forced to participate or intentionally injured, I do not favor the government reaching into this carnal cesspool and prohibiting these sybarites from chasing a filler for their empty souls.

Animal brothels however...

This is depravity which does impose itself on innocents. That the innocents are not human is hardly material.

I think I would find it very hard not to strike someone who told me he or she had frequented such a place.

This is not enlightened freedom, it is sick perversion permitted by societies where tolerance has become a slow suicidal dose of poison.

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 01:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
No Walter, they are very societal expressions.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 01:32 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
That's no contradiction to what I said Wink
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 01:36 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
(Prostitution is legal in many countries, by the way. [In Germany, prostitutes work either independly or as employees; brothels are businesses like any others.])
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 02:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes...it is.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 03:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
That beastiality is really GROSS; it ranks with voting for Obama.





David
Francis
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 04:21 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Your comment constitutes a depravity, from my point of view.

When one allows himself such unrelated comparisons, human logic ends...
cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 06:34 am
@Francis,
Francis wrote:

Your comment constitutes a depravity, from my point of view.

When one allows himself such unrelated comparisons, human logic ends...


After 8 years of the left comparing Bush to a chimpanzee, I really think you're missing the gorilla in the living room.
Francis
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 06:54 am
@cjhsa,
cjhsa wrote:
After 8 years of the left comparing Bush to a chimpanzee, I really think you're missing the gorilla in the living room.


And because of some leftists made idiotic comparisons, you allow yourself to do the same?

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 07:02 am
@Francis,
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When one allows himself such unrelated comparisons, human logic ends...

I need a bigger toilet, for all the obama to go down.
patiodog
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 07:23 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Congratulations, OSD; you've lowered the tenor of a thread about goat-*******.


There's something bothering me about the article that hasn't been mentioned yet: cats?
Francis
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 07:24 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I need a bigger toilet, for all the obama to go down.


I certainly cannot counter such classy, well-thought and profoundly human arguments...

Pamela Rosa and you are twins, aren't you?
 

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