Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 08:55 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3IAjphhw6E&eurl=http://www.nationalrepublicantrust.com/video_obamawright_he.html

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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 08:57 pm
Everybody knows. Nobody cares, except the whiny five percent. No traction.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 09:00 pm
@MontereyJack,
OMG...
Obama has been attending a Christian Church for 20 years. How horrible. We can't possibly have someone that attends church be President.

Oh, wait. Obama is a Muslim

I must be possessed. Gunga's head is spinning.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 10:07 pm
@parados,
First point I understood something was major-league wrong with Oinkbama was the big lie regarding Wright. Barky definitely does not lie well.

http://tinyurl.com/5u8fle
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 06:15 am
@parados,
A so called christian church that subscribes to Black Liberation theology, is front and center in the "Hate America Campaign", supporters of the terrorists.

He sits there for 20 years, listens, has his child baptized by this so called preacher and THEN when confronted by the electorate, says......"I can not denounce Rev Wright"....THEN when confronted again says..."Those words I do not agree with".

What this tells me is Obama at least has poor judgement and can not be trusted with the security of this Nation.
roger
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 11:17 am
@Woiyo9,
And they called Reagan the teflon president. Meet the teflon candidate.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:16 pm
@Woiyo9,
I wonder how you came to this point of view. I recall you thought something different during the primary when Obama gave his race speech.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:24 pm
@Woiyo9,
What you used to think about this controversy:

woiyo wrote:

If these statements from Obamas speech are not good enough for Limbaugh, et all..then nothing will satisfy these morons.

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:32 pm
@FreeDuck,
(Something wrong with how you posted this But I get it)

My point is it took him 20 years and being challenged by media and politics to finally condemn the statements.

Why did he not condemn these statements earlier? His last paragraph sums up what many McCain supporters feel.

"Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 12:35 pm
@Woiyo9,
Right, but there was another whole paragraph after that about what the church and the man did in the community. At the time, you thought that Obama gave an adequate explanation. Now it's not enough. What changed?

(As to how I posted, I just did a quote of your original post, but I get that the first line is you and the rest is Obama)
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 01:03 pm
@FreeDuck,
What ever good he may have done in his "community" is diminished by his attacks on the "white race", his anti America rhetoric and his consistent support of Black Liberation Theology.

I do not like these types of people who use their so called church to further their political or personal agenda. Al Sharpton...excuse me...the Rev. Al Sharpton is another example.

Therefore those who have a 20 year association with this type of individual, raises question of character in my mind.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 01:38 pm
@Woiyo9,
Ok, but again. Why the about face?
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 01:52 pm
@FreeDuck,
By who? Me? I have been fairly consistent in my position.

The McCain campaign? Good question as you are correct in this regard.

I think McCain and his campaign have been holding on to a "few bullets" to use down the stretch. Since he is currently behind in polls, if he wants to win, he may as well use them now so they are fresh in the voters minds on Tuesday.

FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 01:57 pm
@Woiyo9,
No, I meant you. Specifically you said: "If these statements from Obamas speech are not good enough for Limbaugh, et all..then nothing will satisfy these morons." Now you're pretty much with them lock step on this issue.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 02:09 pm
For me, if he was the only questionable relationship, I could almost forgive Obama for Jeremiah Wright . I understand how difficult it is to walk away from a church where you have a relationship with the pastor and have made friends and have invested your money and where you feel like you belong.

I could absolutely forgive Jeremiah Wright if Obama had not put him on his campaign team as an advisor and from the get go had admitted he didn't agree with much of Wright's theology and had tried to just sort of ignore that.

But he didn't. In his book he described Wright something to the effect of emulating the best of the black church. (Working from memory here and the book is loaned out.) He had no problem whatsoever with Jeremiah Wright until those tapes emerged. Even then he 'could no more disown him than he could disown his own white grandmother'. It was only when he couldn't dismiss Wright as a political liability that he threw him under the bus.

But then when the Father Pfleger and James Cone links emerged, and snippets of the black liberation theology became apparent--just fleeting bits--in Obama's own words, it all merited a second and this time closer look. How much did all those years of influence affect Barack Obama? How much of it is in his core beliefs and convictions? Of course he wouldn't reveal that to his devotees because it would be damning.

Then comes the rest: Rezko, Ayers, Farrakhan, Kalidi, et al and their influence and associations that pulled Obama up the political ladder. All have deep liberation theology and/or socialist and/or communist roots and Obama can't seem to point to any mentors or associates who don't have such roots who have helped him get to the place where he is. Is it reasonable to think that Obama could have used all these men for all these years without sharing many of their beliefs and convictions?

Just this week I heard an on air conversation between Tom Brokaw and Charlie Rose admitting they don't really know what Obama believes about anything; they really don't know who he is. They don't know what his world view is or even what his attitude about China is.

All of these things the Obama devotees are willing to close their eyes, not see--pulling the three monkeys act every time something else comes up.



Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 02:22 pm
@FreeDuck,
I do not recall ever saying that .

You have me saying those words?
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 02:23 pm
@Foxfyre,
Explain about Farrakhan and Khalidi. How is Obama associated with Farrakhan and why is an association with Khalidi controversial?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 02:24 pm
@Woiyo9,
That isn't you I quoted above? I pulled that out of the Obama '08 thread and it's linked in that post. I realize you have a 9 after your name now but I figured you are the same person by every indication.
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