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NY Orthodox Jews: Silencing dissent and hushing up scandal

 
 
Reply Wed 17 Sep, 2008 02:49 pm
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wo items recently crossed my desk. The first was an article that appeared in The Jerusalem Post written by Matthew Wagner entitled "Haredim move to silence 'treif' music". It was about a movement to ban musicians who produce or perform any music which the Guardians of Sanctity and Education deem inappropriate. Musicians playing such music would be banned from playing in wedding halls, their CDs would be banned and their concerts disallowed.

The other item was a breaking news piece from JTA indicating that Rabbi Benzion Twerski had resigned from a task force in formation being brought together to deal with sexual abuse in the Orthodox community. New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind, also an Orthodox Jew, is establishing the task force to deal with this scourge. Twerski resigned because of the many threats against him and his family made by several individuals from his community.
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There seems to be little balance left in the Orthodox world. There is no allowance made for harmless pleasure and those who abuse are given a free pass. Those who attempt to stand up are threatened.
Opinion in the Jerusalem Post



Related links:

Psychologist quits task force after threats

Haredin move to eradicate 'foreign' pop
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2008 10:12 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It is similar to the Republicans. It is a crime to burn the American flag according to G.H.W. Bush but okay for his first-born son to damage the economy, military, reputation and treasury of America.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2008 10:40 pm
@talk72000,
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It is similar to the Republicans. It is a crime to burn the American flag according to G.H.W. Bush but okay for his first-born son to damage the economy, military, reputation and treasury of America.

Idiot !
Miller
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 03:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Silencing dissent and hushing up scandal



Sound like the Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 06:33 am
@Miller,
Yes.
That seems to be a natural human reaction.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 06:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
http://nymag.com/news/features/17010/
Quote:
On the Rabbi's Knee
Do the Orthodox Jews have a Catholic-priest problem?
2006

http://nymag.com/news/features/48532/
Quote:
Escape From the Holy Shtetl
2008

nymag provides a fair bit of coverage in this area
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 08:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Quote:

It is similar to the Republicans. It is a crime to burn the American flag according to G.H.W. Bush but okay for his first-born son to damage the economy, military, reputation and treasury of America.


Idiot !


Yes, we all know Bush is an idiot, and an abysmal failure, but this is not the thread for that discussion.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 09:03 am
@Miller,
Miller wrote:
Sound like the Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal?
perhaps even better hidden until recently
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2008 09:48 am
@LionTamerX,
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Yes, we all know Bush is an idiot

You are presumptuous to tell us what " we all know ".

Did u take a survey ?
U didn 't ask ME.





David
talk72000
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 01:49 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The point is that the Bushes and religious fanatics share a similar elitist attitude. The are above reproach while they can scold those below them for minor refractions, they should and can get away with murder.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 01:51 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OSDavid:
Learn to write English and stop acting like an over-aged juvenile.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 04:41 am
@talk72000,
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Re: OmSigDAVID (Post 3409284)
OSDavid:
Learn to write English and stop acting like an over-aged juvenile.

What the hell is THIS ??
Are u under some delusion that I take orders from YOU ??
Go jam your head down the toilet; and FLUSH IT.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 04:46 am
@talk72000,
UNtalk: IGNORE !
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2008 10:08 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I believe some Jews, secular or religious, will not listen to Wagner, due to the annual festival at Bayreuth that Hitler attended and considered Wagner's music as part of the cultural focus for recapturing the Teutonic Hero myths of the past.

Personally, I like Ride of the Valkyries, since I associate it only with the scene in the movie Apocalypse Now, where the U.S. choppers were dealing with a Viet Cong village early in the morning (the choppers had loudspeakers that were blaring the music, as the choppers came out of the rising sun). In effect, I do not mind Wagner, as long as it represents an American theme.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 04:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter- The problem with fundamentalists in any religion is that they attempt to interfere in the everyday running of people's lives. Orthodox Jews are no different than Christian and Moslem fundamentalists.

It is no secret that there is a lot of sexual abuse in the Orthodox community. Another hallmark of fundamentalism is misogyny.
Miller
 
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Reply Tue 25 Nov, 2008 09:17 am
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

Walter- The problem with fundamentalists in any religion is that they attempt to interfere in the everyday running of people's lives. Orthodox Jews are no different than Christian and Moslem fundamentalists.

It is no secret that there is a lot of sexual abuse in the Orthodox community. Another hallmark of fundamentalism is misogyny.



It's also no secret that the Jewish community also has it's fair share of spousal sexual abuse.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2008 11:41 am
The guilt trip that some Jewish mothers have foisted on children is that not a form of abuse? Does anyone know what might go on when a Jewish child broaches the question of whether he/she should/should not go to college? Naturally, this is a generalization, but it might encompass a fair percentage of Jewish homes.

What I do not understand is why Walter would find this interesting enough to post, since the ex-Soviet Jews that are now in Walter's Germany (yes, I do believe Walter is a spokesman for all of Germany), I thought, are not Orthodox? Therefore, I wonder why a member of a leading EU nation (Germany) finds Jews of any interest, since for all intensive purposes, the pre-WWII Jewish culture has been wiped off of the European map, and for the most part secular/assimilationist Jews are those few Jews that inhabit the EU nations (I do not include Britain - they might have an Orthodox community. So, if Walter was British, I would not be curious of his posting interest).

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2008 12:33 pm
@Foofie,
You may wonder, but it's not that I run around with blinkers on my eyes.
It was reported over a couple of weeks of weeks in one of the papers I've subscriped, The Jewish Chronicle (a British paper, the oldest continuously published Jewish newspaper in the world).

I don't know any Jews from the ex-USSR, so I can't really judge if you're right or wrong with your opinion about them.
I am, however, a friend of a member of the "Central Council of Jews in Germany", know a tiny bit about Jews here ...

We have liberal and orthodox communities here in Germany, reformist and conservatives Jews, ... like anywhere else.
According to latest figures (as of 2007) 107,000 Jews are members in 107 Jewish communities, represented by the Central Council of Jews.
Approximately 95,000 Jews don't belong to those communities (mainly from ex-USSR countries and East Europe).
5,000 Jews are members of communities organised in the Jewish Reform-Movement in Germany ("Union progressiver Juden in Deutschland"), with more than 20 communities in Germany.
They are no members of Central Council but like most of the UK's Jewish communities members of the World Union for Progressive Judaism.

You should update your knowledge.



It's interesting that you do not include "Britain" to the European Union - which is correct: not "Britain" but the UK is a member of the EU since January 1, 1973.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2008 12:45 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie:
• I'm not going to write the reason(s) why I post what and/or why I start a thread (at least not generally),
• I don't care if you wonder about my interests or non-interests (but 'thanks' that such is a point of your interest),
• I speak only for myself.


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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2008 08:59 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

It was reported over a couple of weeks of weeks in one of the papers I've subscriped, The Jewish Chronicle (a British paper, the oldest continuously published Jewish newspaper in the world).



You subscribe to this paper for its ...???

I would guess the paper is quite respectful of the Queen, and the entire Royal Family. Enjoy!
 

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