NY Orthodox Jews: Silencing dissent and hushing up scandal

It is similar to the Republicans. It is a crime to burn the American flag according to G.H.W. Bush but okay for his first-born son to damage the economy, military, reputation and treasury of America.

Idiot !

Sound like the Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal?

Yes.
That seems to be a natural human reaction.

http://nymag.com/news/features/17010/
2006

http://nymag.com/news/features/48532/
2008

nymag provides a fair bit of coverage in this area

Yes, we all know Bush is an idiot, and an abysmal failure, but this is not the thread for that discussion.

perhaps even better hidden until recently

You are presumptuous to tell us what " we all know ".

Did u take a survey ?
U didn 't ask ME.





David

The point is that the Bushes and religious fanatics share a similar elitist attitude. The are above reproach while they can scold those below them for minor refractions, they should and can get away with murder.

OSDavid:
Learn to write English and stop acting like an over-aged juvenile.

What the hell is THIS ??
Are u under some delusion that I take orders from YOU ??
Go jam your head down the toilet; and FLUSH IT.

UNtalk: IGNORE !

I believe some Jews, secular or religious, will not listen to Wagner, due to the annual festival at Bayreuth that Hitler attended and considered Wagner's music as part of the cultural focus for recapturing the Teutonic Hero myths of the past.

Personally, I like Ride of the Valkyries, since I associate it only with the scene in the movie Apocalypse Now, where the U.S. choppers were dealing with a Viet Cong village early in the morning (the choppers had loudspeakers that were blaring the music, as the choppers came out of the rising sun). In effect, I do not mind Wagner, as long as it represents an American theme.

Walter- The problem with fundamentalists in any religion is that they attempt to interfere in the everyday running of people's lives. Orthodox Jews are no different than Christian and Moslem fundamentalists.

It is no secret that there is a lot of sexual abuse in the Orthodox community. Another hallmark of fundamentalism is misogyny.

It's also no secret that the Jewish community also has it's fair share of spousal sexual abuse.

The guilt trip that some Jewish mothers have foisted on children is that not a form of abuse? Does anyone know what might go on when a Jewish child broaches the question of whether he/she should/should not go to college? Naturally, this is a generalization, but it might encompass a fair percentage of Jewish homes.

What I do not understand is why Walter would find this interesting enough to post, since the ex-Soviet Jews that are now in Walter's Germany (yes, I do believe Walter is a spokesman for all of Germany), I thought, are not Orthodox? Therefore, I wonder why a member of a leading EU nation (Germany) finds Jews of any interest, since for all intensive purposes, the pre-WWII Jewish culture has been wiped off of the European map, and for the most part secular/assimilationist Jews are those few Jews that inhabit the EU nations (I do not include Britain - they might have an Orthodox community. So, if Walter was British, I would not be curious of his posting interest).

You may wonder, but it's not that I run around with blinkers on my eyes.
It was reported over a couple of weeks of weeks in one of the papers I've subscriped, The Jewish Chronicle (a British paper, the oldest continuously published Jewish newspaper in the world).

I don't know any Jews from the ex-USSR, so I can't really judge if you're right or wrong with your opinion about them.
I am, however, a friend of a member of the "Central Council of Jews in Germany", know a tiny bit about Jews here ...

We have liberal and orthodox communities here in Germany, reformist and conservatives Jews, ... like anywhere else.
According to latest figures (as of 2007) 107,000 Jews are members in 107 Jewish communities, represented by the Central Council of Jews.
Approximately 95,000 Jews don't belong to those communities (mainly from ex-USSR countries and East Europe).
5,000 Jews are members of communities organised in the Jewish Reform-Movement in Germany ("Union progressiver Juden in Deutschland"), with more than 20 communities in Germany.
They are no members of Central Council but like most of the UK's Jewish communities members of the World Union for Progressive Judaism.

You should update your knowledge.



It's interesting that you do not include "Britain" to the European Union - which is correct: not "Britain" but the UK is a member of the EU since January 1, 1973.

Foofie:
• I'm not going to write the reason(s) why I post what and/or why I start a thread (at least not generally),
• I don't care if you wonder about my interests or non-interests (but 'thanks' that such is a point of your interest),
• I speak only for myself.

You subscribe to this paper for its ...???

I would guess the paper is quite respectful of the Queen, and the entire Royal Family. Enjoy!