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Will capitalism survive?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 05:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
Well c.i. You can't expect your leaders to have much respect for you when you put questions of this nature-

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Yeah- and your retirement pension is 300 times the income of millions of families in certain regions. What's your excuse for that disparity as good socialists. You have none. You're phonies. You just want more of the CEO's share to fund more of your extravagancies and pet indulgencies.


on IGNORE. (Mom's apron).

If your socialism only runs to demanding a share off those better off than you and not conceding a share of what you have to those worse off than you one can hardly see your principles as anything other than naked greed and that is what you accuse the CEOs of.

When we read of you taking a "beating" we cannot help but smile.
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Deckland
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2008 02:16 pm
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Capitalism will always survive as long as there are workers to pay their taxes to prop it up.


And now it comes to fruition.
Government bailouts for the rich. The worker (taxpayer) foots the bill and is likely to lose his job and house as well. A pretty fair system huh ?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2008 02:27 pm
@Deckland,
That's the conservative's mantra; stick it to the middle class.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2008 02:29 pm
@Deckland,
Evolutionary contingencies Decko I'm afraid. Interfere with them and you cease to be an evolutionist. Obviously.

Storming the barricades is the only scientific answer isn't it? They can absorb invective until hell freezes.
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Deckland
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2008 02:11 pm
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The Age - 25/09/2008

Like a Roman emperor, Paulson fiddles with the principle of performance pay while the US burns.

HENRY Paulson has got to be kidding. He wants American taxpayers to hand a cool $US700 billion ($A833billion) to his pals on Wall Street in return for a gigantic bundle of their delinquent assets . without his pals taking a pay cut.

Could there be a finer reward for failure? Could there be a worse deal for taxpayers?

No stake in the upside, no ceiling on extortionate Wall Street salaries, no guarantee the system will be stabilised. Just the mother of all rip-offs: a deal to privatise Wall Street's profits and socialise its losses.

http://www.investsmart.com.au/news/news.asp?Action=Display&DocID=AGE080925TS1FB9PHB70

No surprises here !!!
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2008 05:19 pm
@Deckland,
And don't forget Decko that the tax authorities know who got what and how much because it was all declared and above board.

A bit like the Jacobins knew who all the aristocrats were.
Deckland
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 01:24 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

And don't forget Decko that the tax authorities know who got what and how much because it was all declared and above board.

A bit like the Jacobins knew who all the aristocrats were.

And don't forget spendi, just because it's legal (above board) doesn't mean it's fair or just.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Sep, 2008 01:30 pm
@Deckland,
The surprise is that the GOP congress members are seeing through all this BS while the democrats want to sign on the dotted line.

This confirms that democrats do love to spend money; they have no idea how much $700 billion is - and still in darkness.

The democrats ability to spend money so blindly without the proper protections is a red flag voters should take notice.
Deckland
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 01:21 am
$700 billion ... If that was all in $1 bills, I wonder how big a pile that would be ?
700,000,000,000 .... it's hard to comprehend .
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 03:21 am
@cicerone imposter,
Are you seeing the light c.i.? Republicans, some of them at least, think that Marxist economics is a religion and should not be taught in science classes.

It might not be that they are Republicans. I think it is likely that they represent states where Christian religion is strong and thus less likely to be borrowed up to the hilt but now being asked to pay taxes to rescue the states where Christian religion, and its disciplines, are weak. The profilgate, irrational Darwin freaks want to share their debts with the rational Christians. Or, to put it another way, the city slickers want to screw their country cousins. Again.

$700 billion is just a big number.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:34 am
@Deckland,
How many times will it wrap around the earth in dollar bills?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:34 am
@spendius,
spendi, Quit wasting our time.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:38 am
An interesting analysis of the financial crisis by Oliver Kamm, written with the authority of a former hedge fund manager.

His conclusion: the end of capitalism is postponed ... again.
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We are not seeing the crumbling of capitalism.

We've seen scandalous behaviour by some bankers, who packaged good assets up with dubious ones and sold them on to investors who didn't understand those risks. We've seen incompetence by ratings agencies that misvalued those financial instruments. And we've seen an inherent problem of what economists call asymmetric information within financial markets. But the most fundamental weaknesses have been in policy - in economic management and in regulation. There is no painless route out of the mess we're in; but the mess is not intrinsic to the Western financial system and could have been avoided. Policymakers will learn from the experience.

That may sound a feeble conclusion, but the lesson will be important in future financial crises. Recall that the 1987 stock market crash did not lead to recession, let alone anything comparable to the Great Depression, because central bankers - unlike their counterparts after the 1929 crash - flooded the financial system with liquidity. Financial capitalism - more accurately, the system of voluntary exchange - is a resilient arrangement because its practitioners and regulators learn from past mistakes. The same will be true of this crisis, bad though it is, and bad as it will get.

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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 11:05 am
@cicerone imposter,
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spendi, Quit wasting our time.


I'll translate that for newcomers. It means c.i. has no answers to any of the points I make and he thinks that viewers will think I am wasting their time on his say so. And that translates as he thinks you are all as stupid as he must be to go public with such baby-talk.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 11:45 am
@spendius,
People must first be able to comprehend what your questions are.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 01:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It's not my fault you can't read c.i. I think you just skim due to habituation to droning platitudes and wanked out cliches. Probably because you are too eager to get posting some more drivel.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 01:50 pm
@spendius,
My drivel is better than your drivel. yna yna yna....
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 29 Sep, 2008 01:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Nah. Your's is too short. If you are going to do drivel you should stretch it out like a soggy bogie and stick the other end to a wall.
Deckland
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 01:07 pm
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Disgraced banker faces the music
Committee chairman Henry Waxman opened with a question Mr Fuld was never going to answer: Was it fair that he had earned about $US800 million during his 12 years as head of Lehman Brothers, when investors and employees, and now the public, were being asked to pick up the pieces?

The question was ... Will capitalism survive ? The answer is YES ! .. As usual the taxpayer will cough up ... The corporate greed will never change. $US800 million, geeze that's larger than the GDP of some small countries !!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 01:41 pm
@spendius,
spendi, Do you think you'll ever learn to speak the king's english?
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