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is not worshipping God a sin?

 
 
Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2008 12:01 pm
this might seem like a stupid question. what I will say is that what if you were a completely sin free person, you have never commited what is considered to be a sin in Gods eyes, and you are the equivalent of a saint? the only thing is, is that you do not believe in God, you don't worship him, go to church or anything like that. so if you are a sinless person "in the eyes of God" and yet do not believe in in him, will you still go to hell?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2008 12:12 pm
If you are a protestant, absolutely yes, you will go to hell.
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hanno
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2008 01:02 pm
There's that thing they say - Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Anyway the counterpoint to that is a feint on the anthropomorphic nature of the almighty - like well, you have to accept, find part of yourself, be ready to ascend, that Jewish cultural thing, blah, blah, blah. Not that I disagree with the mystical Quaker metaphor for good-livin' kindof take on it, although the 3rd Humanist Manifesto does, just that one way or t'other, including even the possibility of a higher power just as they say - it's a moot point, either it's a sin not to worship and we're screwed anyway, or do as thou will shall be the whole of the law.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 10:08 pm
As I understand the terminological difference, a "crime" denotes the transgression of man's laws and a "sin" a transgression of a god's law. Only one of them is real.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 11:08 pm
Well pick a god. I'm pretty sure the hebrew teachings don't include a hell. But the muslims built on the christian concept. Wish I knew more about it but there's far more interesting things to learn about.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 09:48 am
Be it sin or crime, these things stem from negative emotions. Fear, anger, hatred, desperation.

We will never be punished or rewarded for our emotions. We will however be rewarded or punished by our emotions..
JLNobody
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 10:14 am
Amen
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hanno
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 03:04 pm
Cyracuz wrote:
Be it sin or crime, these things stem from negative emotions. Fear, anger, hatred, desperation.

We will never be punished or rewarded for our emotions. We will however be rewarded or punished by our emotions..



Come, come, come, those are four of my favorites. They're not the fun ones, if you're going to lack self-control it's probably better to be going ape-**** with love of humanity, but if that's the case you're stuffed anyway. Those are the goal-oriented emotions...
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2008 11:36 am
I think the trick is to be mindful and nurture the emotions you need or want. Easy to say, not to do.
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rrj2-21-1956
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2014 05:07 pm
Test
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4benji5
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 10:51 am
@existential potential,
I must know the answer to this as well!

However, I am a Christian whose struggling with faith, so I don't worship because I'm not sure what I believe in. Is that a sin?

P.S. no such thing as a sinless person. When you eat too much, it's a sin (gluttony). When you walk past someone who needs help, you're sinning against a brother or sister. If you can desire things that aren't right without giving it a second thought. SIN!
If you think you're sinless, hate to burst your bubble but you're not. Stop thinking you're better than everyone else, gosh!
:p
MWal
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 11:05 am
@existential potential,
Wouldn't you worship him if you knew him, and that he was worthy? Sacralege is important in Heaven.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 11:17 am
@4benji5,
For christians, guilt is the leading threat to heaven, and it obviously works! Mr. Green
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kiuku
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 05:13 pm
@existential potential,
probably not.

It's basically a sin or faith type of thing, or combination therein. If you are completely sinless, no you don't have to believe in God; you already do, you see what I mean? The flesh is believing. Interesting question. Is it really possible though to be sinless without believing in God? No I think by virtue of being sinless, I will not go to Hell. However you cannot really say that though-and you'd really have to be double blameless-why because there's a part in the gospel where it is explicit that works cannot bring you up from Hell. But it's true. You just can't say it.

Rejecting Jesus is a sin; it's that there are these sneaky mental sins like rejecting Christ. How are you thinking when you say these things like, you don't worship God, is it indifference, not knowing, or is it sin? Sin in thought..
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 05:19 pm
@kiuku,
From my understanding of the christian religion, only through Jesus can one be admitted to heaven.

Never mind, nobody heard of this 'jesus' three thousand years ago.
kiuku
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 05:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
why do I think differently though?

Yea but hypothetically,=== In the absence of sin====, which is the question, one can go, I think; that's what God created; that's the point.

Is not having faith in Jesus a sin or is having faith in Jesus a way to Heaven in spite of sin?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 05:24 pm
@kiuku,
You are allowed to think anything you wish about almost anything - including religion.
kiuku
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 05:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
ah

in this hypothetical case then the body would know Heaven and Earth; it would have to to know that this or that is a sin, or that it just feels wrong to do; in order to resist societal pressure to be sinless. How? Otherwise? That's not possible, unless God made the body. Church tells you what a sin is, and believing in God makes you repent, and so on. Like, in order to avoid sins of the flesh there has to be fasting too in order to precondition the body; and so on; how if you don't believe in God?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 05:27 pm
@kiuku,
what ever
kiuku
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 05:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
well he's the one saying it not you. just curious. If the body knew Heaven and Earth wouldn't it go to Heaven? I don't know...I think it would.

the flesh is worshipping. In order to be sinless, though it is pretty explicit, that the body could not have any disease. It would neither succumb to disease or poison, if a person was sinless, and even more so it says that the body would not see death.

So I don't think there is sinless flesh around here.
 

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