OK To END CENSORSHIP TO END RAPE ?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Rockhead wrote:
Hugs, BBB.

cj, it would be a good time to find somethin' else to do for a bit...

You are not authorized to usher
anyone out of this discussion.

David

Wanna bet, Genius...

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oooohh, secret moderator....

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Nope, just apathetic towards assh*les...

Pick a fight, shooter, see where we go.

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Bang. You're dead.

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Yer funny.

I'd give you a gun and a 3 hour head start.

:wink:

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Setanta wrote:

By the way, the poll is hopelessly warped (and stupid).
One can either join in begging the question and agree that this half-wit
program would end rape; or one can join in begging an inferential
assertion, agreeing that one is in favor of censorship simply because it refers to sexual images or acts.

It's like the old "have you stopped beating your wife?" rhetorical scam.

Its funny, but last nite at around 1 A.M.,
I thought you paid me a visit:
I was sitting in my back yard, half asleep,
when I felt presure and movement on my left foot.
I looked down, and I thought that Mr. Setanta 's eyes rose to meet mine,
except that he was wearing a mask (like the Lone Ranger).

It turned out to be a Racoon.
He seemed mildly surprized to see that I was living.
(NO, nobody got SHOT; neither he nor I displayed any hostilies.)
He slowly ambled on his way westward to one of my maple trees about ten feet,
and then he turned toward me. He appeared to be in a state of sound health.
I greeted him, as a cordial homeowner, and he came back toward me,
but then he resumed his wesward trek. Maybe he had a hot date with a Racoonette.

I never met a Racoon before.
I did not know that we had Racoons around here.

David

P.S.:
I took no questionable images of him
while he was on my property.

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Setanta wrote:

[YOU FAIL]

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Apparently, I'msickDavid has no argument to advance in defense of his thesis.

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Setanta wrote:

Apparently, I'msickDavid has no argument to advance in defense of his thesis.

I 'm not advocating a point of vu.

I do not suggest
any particular changes in the applicable law nor social policy.

I do not have evidence that providing porn
to potential rapists will reduce the rape rate.

I 'm only opening this particular point for discussion.

I AM interested in exploring human thought processes
and seeing what and how u all think about this.

David

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I get where you're coming from, David.

If you COULD end rape by doing this.... would you?

Personally, I think I would be willing to do just about anything to end rape, especially rape of children.

But would I offer my child as a sacrifice?

Would I allow my own child to sacrifice himself?

No. Absolutely no. Never.

Even if I knew that many people could be saved the horror, I still couldn't do it.

And, in a big way, that really does suck. I guess there are some things that I am unwilling to sacrifice for any cause. Even causes I really believe in.

My child is not on the table as a barganing chip. I think most parents would feel exactly the same.

But no. I'm not willing to sacrifice him or to allow him to sacrifice himself for what, theorethically, might be the greater good.

Even with a guarantee that all abuse would end with his abuse, I couldn't do it.

Or allow him to do it despite the compensation.

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You do him too much honor Boomer - read the voting options:

YES; ENDING RAPE IS GOOD
NO; SEXUAL CENSORSHIP IS TOO GOOD TO LOSE

Surveying 101 would show the obvious agenda behind the question.

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cjhsa wrote:

Rockhead wrote:

cj, it would be a good time to find somethin' else to do for a bit...

Why, are you going to blame me for this?

One time, a lady told me she had a piece of Noah's ark in a vial. I asked her where she got it. She got mad at my insensitivity.

So I guess that's what I get for asking the obvious question.

Only obvious to you. Those with sensitivities would never ask such a question and it should not have been asked by you. The said thing is that you probably don't realize what you are doing by saying this.

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

Setanta wrote:
By the way, the poll is hopelessly warped (and stupid). One can either join in begging the question and agree that this half-wit program would end rape; or one can join in begging an inferential assertion, agreeing that one is in favor of censorship simply because it refers to sexual images or acts.

It's like the old "have you stopped beating your wife?" rhetorical scam.

In that case,
start your own thread, closer to your taste,
with your OWN poll.

Why would you start a thread and invite comment and then, when you do not like the comment, suggest that the writer start their own thread.

I happen to agree with this post of Setanta's and I think that his post just prior to this one was well thought out and executed.

Yes, your poll is flawed and goes only in the direction that you want it to go.

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I thought rape was a crime of violence, not sex. A rapist is not "seduced" by the sexuality of his victim, his crime is one of dominance and humiliation. He (most rapists are male) acts out of rage and a feeling of powerlessness, not sexual desire.

So showing any rapist sexy pictures is not likely to diminish rape. Maybe showing videos of butchers hacking up carcasses with big knives...

But I digress. It is wrong to exploit anyone, especially a child who does not have the maturity to understand the long-term implications of this decision.

So I can't answer your poll. There is no option that makes sense to me.

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Intrepid wrote:

cjhsa wrote:
Rockhead wrote:

cj, it would be a good time to find somethin' else to do for a bit...

Why, are you going to blame me for this?

One time, a lady told me she had a piece of Noah's ark in a vial. I asked her where she got it. She got mad at my insensitivity.

So I guess that's what I get for asking the obvious question.

Only obvious to you. Those with sensitivities would never ask such a question and it should not have been asked by you. The said thing is that you probably don't realize what you are doing by saying this.

**** you and drive safely.

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cjhsa wrote:

**** you and drive safely.

Thank you. I will.

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boomerang wrote:

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I get where you're coming from, David.

If you COULD end rape by doing this.... would you?

Personally, I think I would be willing to do just about anything
to end rape, especially rape of children.

YES.
THAT IS THE QUESTION of this thread, Boom.

If violence, fear, pain, dread, bleeding, scarring and STDs were deflected AWAY
from living children into insensate photografic objects (i.e., child porn)
so that there were FEWER rapes of children,
shud that be DONE ? or not ?

If so Y ?
If not, Y not ?

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But would I offer my child as a sacrifice?

Would I allow my own child to sacrifice himself?

No. Absolutely no. Never.

Even if I knew that many people could be saved the horror, I still couldn't do it.

Please know that you are addressing a very, very selfish person.
From the age of 0, I have been very selfish and still am.
I 'd NEVER consider
subjecting a loved one to any abuse,
let alone the indignity of sexual abuse.

It is UNTHINKABLE that any person of any age
be raped for the sake of photografy,
regardless of the motive.

In the opening post of this thread,
I said that thay not be raped.

I do not suggest that children
engage in sexual intercourse with adults for purposes of photografy
( or any other reason )
but if rapes are reduced in number by children posing for nude
photografy (with no real sexuality) who are well paid as models,
and who FREELY CHOOSE to make some money this way,
the way adult nude models freely choose their jobs,
shud the long arm of the law interfere to prevent this ?

WHATAYATHINK ?

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And, in a big way, that really does suck.
I guess there are some things that I am unwilling to sacrifice for any cause.
Even causes I really believe in.

Depending on HOW u define "sacrifice"
I agree with u.

For my own part,
if I had a child who mentioned: "Hay, Dad
I got a part time job today.
Look, I got $1,000 for half an hour 's work.
Wanna see some pictures ?"
and it was limited only to nude modeling
so I did not have to worry about STDs,
I do not believe that I 'd question her or his judgment.
Possibly, I might prefer that she or he have a bodyguard for future modeling.

I might be mistaken about this;
I cannot be sure about my emotions
unless I actually HAD a child and it occurred.
I 'd probably feel safer if a son reported this new job to me,
rather than a daughter.

Thank u for a rational, well thought out post, Boom.

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Wy wrote:

I thought rape was a crime of violence, not sex.

U have evidence
that no rape has occurred
in order to gratify the sexual desires of the rapist ?

That seems hard to believe.

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A rapist is not "seduced" by the sexuality of his victim,

NEVER ??

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his crime is one of dominance and humiliation.
He (most rapists are male) acts out of rage and a feeling
of powerlessness, not sexual desire.

Will u reveal how u found out
that no rape has occurred because of sexual desire ?

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So showing any rapist sexy pictures is not likely to diminish rape.
Maybe showing videos of butchers hacking up carcasses with big knives...

But I digress. It is wrong to exploit anyone, especially a child who does
not have the maturity to understand the long-term implications of this decision.

So I can't answer your poll. There is no option that makes sense to me.

Will u inform us of the PROPORTION
of rapes that occur to satisfy the sexual desires of the rapist,
as distinguished from those based upon the dominance that u described ?

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DrewDad wrote:

OmSig, would you be willing to be punched repeatedly in the face and
be "well-compensated" in order to prevent someone else from being stabbed?

Would you want your kid to be punched repeatedly in the face,
as long as he/she is "well-compensated," in order to prevent some other kid being stabbed?

Perhaps I shud have been more clear,
beyond my saying that no one gets raped in the pictures.
I was referring only to nude modeling,
not to any actual sexual involvement.

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You are deranged. (In my opinion.)

I don 't think much of u, either -- but that 's off topic.
This thread is not a popularity contest.

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

OmSig, would you be willing to be punched repeatedly in the face and
be "well-compensated" in order to prevent someone else from being stabbed?

Would you want your kid to be punched repeatedly in the face,
as long as he/she is "well-compensated," in order to prevent some other kid being stabbed?

Perhaps I shud have been more clear,
beyond my saying that no one gets raped in the pictures.
I was referring only to nude modeling,
not to any actual sexual involvement.

You didn't answer my question.

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