PAYING RIGHTS TO GOD AND TO PEOPLE.

Re: PAYING RIGHTS TO GOD AND TO PEOPLE.


and if they don't you can beat the crap outa them, lovely.......

IF They do not.......
then it is between them and their God just as if men do not pay rights, they will be accountable to God.
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Please accept these artcles as gifts:

Women in the Holy Quran -- by Maha Dabbous
Muhammad the Liberator of Women -- by Hadhrat Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmood Ahmad
Woman in Islam - By Sir Muhammad Zafrulla Khan (ex president of UNO general assembly and ex president of International Court of Justice, Hague, Holland)
The Islamic Veil -- by Maha Dabbous
The Role of Women in an Islamic Society
Marriage in Islam -- by Ata Ullah Kaleem
Widow's remarriage (Malfoozat)
Chastity - Essential for Preservation of the Institution of Marriage -- by Nasir M. Malik
Assessing British MP Jack Straw's Comments Concerning Hijab In Islam

http://www.alislam.org/library/women.html

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just for contrast:

WOMEN'S RIGHTS MOVEMENTS IN NORTH AMERICA, EUROPE, AND RUSSIA

http://www.wou.edu/las/socsci/kimjensen/410womensrightshandout.htm

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Regards.

Not true - this is shown by the wars amongst the believers of Islam. Also, as I understand it, many Sunni do not think Shiite are muslim, and visa versa. How then is peace possible?


The cause of many wars over time



The call to slavery



Rather, encouraging understanding and acceptance of others as they are



For what purpose? Isn't the denial of sexual desire denial of human nature itself - such is self deceptive, and by doing so you would be living a lie - and of course you hate lies.

As a further observation, that command would allow only for arranged marriages.


Who then can strive to achieve?

Re: IF They do not.......


No thanks, keep your gifts, like the bible the Koran is a very contradictory and misleading book, what muslim men want is slaves, not wives

[4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient (A Slave not a wife), guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them (That is unbelievable, and how many muslim men fulfil this) ; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (And full of s**t if these are truly "HIS" words, which i sincerely doubt)

Not happy with just fists, then why not get a weapon, that'll teach her eh!!!

[38.44] And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with It and do not break your oath; surely We found him patient; most excellent the servant! Surely he was frequent m returning (to Allah).

If you put aside rage little yonder........
If you put aside rage little yonder........
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peace to all!

the verse (38.:44) is (38: 45) in site which i use (if first verse is also counted) and see what it actaully is:


[38:42] And remember Our servant Job, when he cried unto his Lord; 'Satan has afflicted me with toil and torment.'

[38:43] We directed him: 'Urge thy riding beast with thy foot and depart swiftly. Yonder is cool water to wash with, and a drink.'

[38:44] And We bestowed on him, his family and as many more with them, by way of mercy from US, and as a reminder for men of understanding.

[38:45] And We commanded him: 'Take in thy hand a handful of dry twigs and strike therewith, and incline not towards falsehood.' Indeed, We found him steadfast. An excellent servant was he. Surely, he was constantly turning to God.

http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=38&verse=41

holy prophet Job who was riding an animal is commanded to travel fast with stick in hand to make animal move faster.

And you, respected friend, pasted it on women!

Sure some muslims are not parcticing religion well. That is why reformers appear. Just as holy Jesus came to reform jews, Ahamdiyya reformer has come. But please do not go sofar in your angers to turn a beast into a women.

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Paradise is under mother's foot - a parable told by blessed holy prophet.

One who is best in behaviour with family is best also told by holy prophet.


[16:73] And Allah has made for you mates from among yourselves, and has made for you, from your mates, sons and grandsons, and has provided you with good things. Will they then believe in that which perishes and deny the favour of Allah?


[4:33] And covet not that whereby Allah has made some of you excel others. Men shall have a share of that which they have earned, and women a share of that which they have earned. And ask Allah of His bounty. Surely, Allah has perfect knowledge of all things.

[4:34] And to everyone We have appointed heirs to what the parents and the relations leave, and also those with whom your oaths have ratified a contract. So give them their portion. Surely, Allah watches over all things.


[4:35] Men are guardians over women because Allah has made some of them excel others, and because men spend on them of their wealth. So virtuous women are obedient, and guard the secrets with Allah's protection. And as for those on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them and keep away from them in their beds and chastise them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Surely, Allah is High and Great.


==> SUPPOSE IF THIS IS THAT SORT OF BEATING AS YOU THINK, THEN THIS NEXT (4:36) VERSE FINDS NO ROOM. THESE ARE VERY REMOTELY CHANCED THINGS JUST AS PERMISSION OF HAVING FOUR WIVES. PLEASE FIND SOME MUSLIM FAMILIES IN YOUR AREA AND SEE WHAT ARE PRACTICAL SITUATIONS.


[4:36] And if you fear a breach between them, then appoint an arbiter from his folk and an arbiter from her folk. If they (the arbiters) desire reconciliation, Allah will effect it between them. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.


[4:37] And worship Allah and associate naught with Him, and show kindness to parents, and to kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and to the neighbour who is a kinsman, and the neighbour who is a stranger, and the companion by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom your right hands possess. Surely, Allah loves not the arrogant and the boastful.
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Quran is first book which gave rights to women. Do you like the situation in some modern nations where women are abused as girl friends since wife has rights and gf has no rights.

How about abuse of women in media with lesser and lesser dresses just to make movies or to sell some chewing gums stuff. What about bars where a portion of humanity is used to provide enjoyments for men.

In some places lady secreteries in office are silently abused. On football night women abuse is not a forgotten saga. Walk on russian streets you will find women in distress.

In unjust socities people tend to suppress weak. Before Islam, women folk was treated as a commodity. There were no shame whatsoever, no limit of having women. Daughter was burried as soon as she was born. Today incest is not hidden. After world war why prostituion started in germany? and in other places. These are all very very pain ful remindings.

Men ans women are equal in eyes of God. But man's physical muscles are stronger; to run a system a center is needed. Husband and wife are hearty friends (each others dress- Quran)

Emotions in both genders are like two electric wires with positive and negative currents. To have useful results they need to run separate and meet togather in special arrangement (family and marriage) . If they keep meeting without arrangements that is like frequent short circuits (showing off, dating, mating and no family) . Such free availability since early age leads to loss of interest in each other among two genders and homo- phenomemon starts....God made Adam and Eve; not Adam and Steve.

Lets come back to God!

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Prayers from Quran for people which include father, mother and husband wife and children:

For parents:
My Lord, have mercy on them as they nourished me in (my) childhood. [part of verse25: chapter 17]

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For spouses and children:
Our Lord, grant us of our spouses and children the delight of (our) eyes, and make us a model for the righteous. [part of verse 75: chapter 25]=============================================


I request please find some ahmadiyya muslim ladies near you and ask these things and visit them.

News is not as eqaul as seeing!

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Explanations in sermons on w.mta.tv and these Two online books - THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM - and - REVELATION,RATIONALITY, KNOWLEDGE AND TRUTH - can help further.

Odd, God sees them as equal, and Islamic man dominate and/or oppress their women? Wouldn't that make such a sin?

The system analogy is purely an attempt to justify the domination/oppression of women by islamic men, where no justification for such exists.

Re: If you put aside rage little yonder........


Rage? rofl i have no rage/anger/hatred for any man women or animal cause of what the believe, i have only pity for the weak minded souls of this world who use religion as their only reason exist, who eat, pray & sh*t religion and then die in the hope that you have picked the right path so that you can get your place in heaven were you can eat, pray & sh*t religion in the hope that the jealous one will kick you back to earth to do it all again (Oops i forgot religions of the book don't get reincarnated, oh well....)

Peace, health and good people is all the world needs, not religion.....

Peace!

1= Unprecedented destructions in two-world-wars were not due to religion.

2= Religionless Soviet era could not produce any peace or good human.

3= Current wars are all political but in some of them name of religion is being used as escape goat.

3= Religion is sent basically to make peace and good people. As time goes by corruption comes into religions too till the reformer comes.
[ref: online book written in U.K. -- REVELATION, RATIONALITY, KNOWLEDGE AND TRUTH ]

4= All human are bestowed noble raw faculties as base, religion helps human to take these faculties to moral-stage and then peace-with-God-state.
[ref: THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM - online]

5= All religious disputes shall be dealt in Hereafter. In this world we can live and continue dialogue but choice is individual's.

Regards.

I would say your statement is more wishful thinking than fact, but you come across as a good person, whos heart and mind are in the right place, for this I applaud you

So true, and yet so far from the mark.

All wars are caused by power struggles. Power struggles occur as a political game (not necessarily the organised politics, but the pure definition of the word). Within religion, power struggles occur, and such is political. Religion can be used as a weapon in the power struggle. You can't separate religion from power struggles, for it is human nature to be the sheep, the shepherd, or the wolf...and in religion every person falls into those 3 categories.

Peace!

1= Thank to all.


2=BDV

If this humble's heart and mind are in right place, as you graciously think then i could not be doing wishful thinking by definition.

Actually, unfortunately, lately muslims as community has not shown well impressions in world affairs.More than often they find no common direction in any given matter then they become victims in hands of politicio-clergy. That situation was foretold by blessed holy prophet. The remedy was also told, the comming of reformer. Again, unfortunately, some muslims have forgotten that vital forecast and some are looking in skies as once Elijah was being waited physically. The Ahamdiyya reformer is sent for reforms and is being accepted. Every friday his fifth caliph delivers sermon on w.mta.tv from U.K in which he explains practical peace subjects with analysis, if these are followed, all your complaints about religion would be solved.

Thanks..no hard feelings. God bless you.
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n.b :
1- Plz do read the books which i mentioned above, even just for taste.
2- There are some people purely from Ireland who accepted that reformer.

Yay! More cut and paste spam!

More verses from Islamic scripture. The spam that feeds killers.

Yes as those verses above show, Islam allows its believers to beat the krap out of their wives and treat them like second-rate dogs.
Christianity says different..-
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28)
Control yourselves honourably, not in lust like the heathens" (1 Thess 4:4/5)

The early Christian group in Phrygia was led by Montanus and two preachers, Priscilla and Maximilla,
The evangelist Philip had four daughters who were preachers;
And Paul paid glowing tributes to women -"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea..she has been a great help to many people, including me..
Greet Priscilla , my fellow worker in Christ Jesus, she risked her life for me.
Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you..
Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa and Persis, those women who work hard in the Lord.
Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
Greet Julia.." (Romans ch 16)

Cuz the Bible is full of puppy dogs and kitty cats.

Nah, some bible "puppies" were nasty little s.o.b's like when Jezebel was chucked out of a window to be eaten by wild dogs!

Don't expect a reply from LvB. It seems you recognize the backward and savage parts of Islam.

I say part as part of a whole, and on whole Islam is a nightmare.

Prophet Mohammed and human rights
He was revealed with a system that can reform mankind in all stages and all conditions, reforming the individual in himself, reforming the family at home and reforming the societies and environments not only politically, economically and in laws and legislations, but also in amusement and refreshment, he brought the perfect system and the right guidance from the Koran for every aspect of humanity.
Time and days will approve what we said, since the time he was revealed thinkers think, legislators legislate and philosophers and wise men set systems and they always discover faults in human systems and gaps in the rules people set, so they come back to the perfect system and the ideal law assuring that nothing can be suitable for all peoples except what is brought by the ideal prophet (PBUH).
Nowadays western countries drawl and talk a lot about human rights acting as if they are prophets requesting people to do human rights, whereas they do it with a balance with two different pans, whoever follows them they give and support him and whoever refuses their system they boycott him and fought him in a way that his country can’t bear or resist.
Whereas the human rights which prophet Mohammed (PBUH) brought and legislated in the farewell preach (Khotbat Al-Wadaa’) is still the lightening model for all people to the Day of Judgment. He said in some of its items: (O people, your God is One, your father is one, an Arab doesn’t exceed non-Arab, non-Arab doesn’t exceed an Arab, a black doesn’t exceed a red, a red doesn’t exceed a black, they only do with their piety and fear of God, “Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you” Surat Al-Hojorat verse 13), during this preach he also prohibited transgressing people in their wealth, honor and bodies, the chosen prophet said about this addressing the whole nation: (All the Muslim is prohibited for another Muslim, his wealth, his honor and his blood.) they copied that document, developed it and modernized it pretending they made it up themselves, but their deceive appeared when they can’t fulfill it practically.