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Is it wrong to view child pornography?

 
 
agrote
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 12:28 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
agrote, You're missing the whole point; that child was already violated. It doesn't matter about the "distribution." The crime has already been committed; distribution of child pornography is also a crime that charges adults who engage in its distribution and who purchase them.


The distribution might matter. Yes, the abuse has already taken place, but what if that child grows up to discover that paedophiles are using images of his abuse to arouse themselves? I don't know how he would discover this; perhaps he would just work out out based on the fact that he was abused by an internet porn distributer.

So the child discovers this, and he is understandably upset by it. He doesn't want people looking at photographs of the most horrific experience of his life. This isn't as bad as the abuse itself, but it is bad. If distributing child porn, once it has been made, increases the likelihood of this happening, then it is not a harmless action as I previously thought it was.
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agrote
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 12:38 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
Nope, I think that without a question the grossness of child pornograpy is universal. At least to those with normal brain function.


If you're right, the grossness is still not going to be a real, mind-independent property that paeodphiles fail to see. It is going to be a relation between ideal observers and acts of paedophilia. It will be like sad music. According to arousalists, the sadness of music is constituted by the fact that ideal listeners react to the music with feelings which are appropriate to instances of sadness. They respond as they would to a sad person, and this is what makes the music 'sad'.

On your view, normal human beings respond to acts of paedophilia or discussions about paedophilia with feeligns which are appropriate tyo instances of grossness. They respond as they would to a slug or a puddle of vomit, and this is what makes the paedophilia (or the discussion of paedophilia) 'gross'.

If you are a normal human being or an ideal observer, I don't think you can observe these relational properties. You don't hear the sadness in music; the sadness is constituted by the way you respond to the music. Similarly, you are not observing an instance of grossness. The grossness is constituted by the way you feel in response to the thing which you call 'gross'. You are not "observing" anything; you are constituting it.

At least, if you're right that your reaction is the universal reaction, this is what is occuring. But I disagree, of course. Your reaction is not the appropriate reaction; it is the reaction that most people used to have when they heard about gays and lesbians. It is a product of ignorance.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 12:41 pm
Re: Is it wrong to view child pornography?
joefromchicago wrote:
How you could arrive at the conclusion that the benefit derived from gratuitously giving porn must be enough to explain the making of porn is truly baffling.


In order to cause further harm. Assuming of course that mere viewing is not harmful, a contention that we seem to have gotten past.
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Francis
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 12:47 pm
agrote wrote:
it is the reaction that most people used to have when they heard about gays and lesbians. It is a product of ignorance.


Geez, Agrote! You don't know what else to make up with as an argument, to utter that crap!

Equating homophobia with preying children, the summum of hypocrisy!
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Chai
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 12:48 pm
Re the above from joe....

I just keep thinking....the first taste is free.
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agrote
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 12:54 pm
Chai wrote:
Re the above from joe....

I just keep thinking....the first taste is free.


The first taste of what? Heroin? Child porn isn't a physically addictive drug, so I don't think that would be a fair comparison.
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agrote
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 12:55 pm
Francis wrote:
agrote wrote:
it is the reaction that most people used to have when they heard about gays and lesbians. It is a product of ignorance.


Geez, Agrote! You don't know what else to make up with as an argument, to utter that crap!

Equating homophobia with preying children, the summum of hypocrisy!


I didn't equate it with preying children. I equated it with paedophobia.
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Chai
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:00 pm
agrote wrote:
Chai wrote:
Re the above from joe....

I just keep thinking....the first taste is free.


Child porn isn't addictive .



There, I just changed it to a false statement

Happy?
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Francis
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:00 pm
agrote wrote:
I didn't equate it with preying children. I equated it with paedophobia.


Playing on words now?

Can you go even lower in your turpitude?
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agrote
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:01 pm
Chai wrote:
agrote wrote:
Chai wrote:
Re the above from joe....

I just keep thinking....the first taste is free.


Child porn isn't addictive .



There, I just changed it to a false statement

Happy?


What do you mean "Happy?" Am I happy that you've misquoted me? No, not really.
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Chai
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:01 pm
Francis wrote:
agrote wrote:
I didn't equate it with preying children. I equated it with paedophobia.


Playing on words now?

Can you go even lower in your turpitude?




That's how he attracts children Francis. Playing word games with them.
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agrote
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:04 pm
Francis wrote:
agrote wrote:
I didn't equate it with preying children. I equated it with paedophobia.


Playing on words now?

Can you go even lower in your turpitude?


I don't know what turpitude is... I don't think we have that word in the UK. It's not in my dictionary, anyway.
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agrote
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:05 pm
Chai wrote:
Francis wrote:
agrote wrote:
I didn't equate it with preying children. I equated it with paedophobia.


Playing on words now?

Can you go even lower in your turpitude?




That's how he attracts children Francis. Playing word games with them.


What, like scrabble?
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Chai
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:07 pm
Then you have a very bad dictionary.



oh wait, your dictionary probably has just pictures in it.


anyway, how could you play scrabble if you don't don't a simple word like turpitude?
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Francis
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:10 pm
agrote wrote:
I don't know what turpitude is... I don't think we have that word in the UK. It's not in my dictionary, anyway.


Your knowledge of words must be then as big as your pride.




Main Entry: tur·pi·tude
Pronunciation: \ˈtər-pə-ˌtüd, -ˌtyüd\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin turpitudo, from turpis vile, base
Date: 15th century
: inherent baseness : depravity <moral turpitude>; also : a base act
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agrote
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:16 pm
Chai wrote:
Then you have a very bad dictionary.


I live in the UK. My dictionary contains words used in the UK, like 'tea'.

Quote:
anyway, how could you play scrabble if you don't don't a simple word like turpitude?


Because I like in the UK and that words is not in common usage here.
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agrote
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:19 pm
Oh wait, never mind, I found it.
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Francis
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:21 pm
Is your phrase proper English?

agrote wrote:
Because I like in the UK and that words is not in common usage here.


That's why you cannot get the concept.

Preying children is a base act, a vile thing, get it?
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agrote
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:22 pm
Francis wrote:
Is your phrase proper English?

agrote wrote:
Because I like in the UK and that words is not in common usage here.


That's why you cannot get the concept.

Preying children is a base act, a vile thing, get it?


Do you mean "preying on children"?

I agree, it's a base act. Thoughout this entire thread, I have never stated otherwise.
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Francis
 
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Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:25 pm
You mean you are out of thoughts or out, though?
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