Feed my Lambs (moral standards)

As i said, you just make this **** up as you go along. But then, you follow it with this ! ! !



Irony is not dead, it simply goes unrecognized by those who produce it.



This not even remotely related to anything which i have written. (Do you actually know what the verb "to jettison" means? It's a transitive verb, Bubba, and as you use it here, it has no object--more incoherence.)



Ever heard of circular "reasoning?"



There has to be a logical basis from which to proceed. You have not provided any logical basis for an assumption that scripture is divinely inspired and inerrant. No document can ever have any more credibility than it lends itself, and outside the context of the contemporary world in which it was produced.



I expect no less.



Sentence fragments are not necessarily the same as fragmented sentences. Your sentence fragments are not followed by other, explanatory or justifying fragments. They are simply incoherent ramblings. Thought is the about the last thing which is evinced in the sentence fragments you produce. This last quoted sentence is not a fragment, nor is it coherent.

Again a complete post of drivel Set...

The baby is laying out on the lawn with the bath water.

Quote Set: There has to be a logical basis from which to proceed.

Comment: RexRed

It is called FAITH.

You either got it or you don't

If you have faith you believe a good portion of the Bible and you take it's words with some divine authority if you don't you reject it then.

You are rejecting what it says are you not?

Well if we were to go out on an all out scripture toss and you were to present all the bad things in the Bible in a list and I were to find all the good scriptures I can. I can find more good scriptures than you can find bad or negative ones. Most of the Bible is about surviving perils of this life. In the worst argument is the Bible any more violent that watching the news for a day? Predictions about the end would be in any book about God.

Let's see here is a scripture "God created the heavens and the earth" Now that is a really BAD scripture. (Cynical) How dare God do that!

Perhaps instead, God stumbled upon the earth and the heavens and decided to just move in?

Well the human logic can go in many places. But ultimately nothing would be here if something did not put it here. So it started with a bang but what set the fuse?

It is when the mind goes into denial that logic is thrown onto the lawn also.

The scripture does not say God moved in, it says God CREATED it. You either believe it or you don't, then you move on to the next verse. 90% of the Bible can be understood by simply reading it and believing it.

YET… People read around the word they read what everyone else says about it. They know only the bits and fragments that make their case.

So they develop a case and say well because Solomon was a polygamist thus God must be fake. Because holy wars were waged in God's name Jesus was a fraud. Because Paul talks disparaging about certain homosexual practices, slavery and male domination his epistles are not divinely inspired. I myself can talk disparagingly about many homosexual practices going on today that worry me also.

Meanwhile, the lawn is getting lots of water.

Perhaps it is learning to take the good with the bad. Humans have a propensity to want to slant reality in favor of their ideals.

Reality can always be potentially be one step behind our ideals. There will always be some who choose to follow their own set of standards born out of the worlds capacity to love rather than perceiving a higher form of godly expression.

Call it ignorant naivety, evil and even call it treachery it is still that people are controlled by the kingdoms of this world and they cannot perceive the glory of God.

One needs to step back from all of this and say . Who is doing all this evil? God? Did God create the evil? Does God make us stumble did God make Grammy die? Did God really kill anybody?

So it is blame God huh? Blame God for what holy men wrote as they were moved by the holy spirit. God knew they were going to write it so why didn't he stop them? How dare they! God knew it would be twisted, stomped spit out and thrown into the recycle bin.

Don't Christian believers know that it does not fit the progressive ideal that one is "moved by the holy spirit" in any way shape or form?

So ultimately faith comes down to bias.

Because of bias I will not listen to anything that the Bible has to offer. With this type of filtered bias what other IMPORTANT decisions in life will be decided without any thought of the consequences?

What is the cost of never knowing God???

So we have tossed out God, tossed out Jesus, tossed out Paul, tossed out Moses and what is left?

A dictatorship.

One where "holy" people and God were tossed completely out for the simple reason that they "appeared" to "maybe" have a fault.

Words like "nothing can separate us from the love of Christ" REALLY BAD WORDS ALERT!

That should go at the top of your list Set.

So when all is said and done what was expected to happen? Well God expected you/them/us to pick up the book and believe in it. When people don't they build an intricate reason why. This ultimately changes them.

It changes them because they don't in the end actually read the book. They read around it. They read what others in their same ilk think also.

To read the book and actually believe it is to read only small sections and be constantly bought to tears at their beauty. As one piece of information is understood another one is presented by God. Suddenly you are not with the world on the outside looking in but on the inside looking out.

This does not make you accept the evil you perceive may lurk on the book?'s surface. This makes you put those questions on a shelf so you can drink from the fountains of God's mercy and grace. Only with God?'s power born within can a believer perceive any fault in the scriptures and discern the spirits therein.

Ephesians 1:18
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Completely incoherent . . . there's no point in continuing, Rex is off the deep end again . . .

What, you can't walk on water?

This is a very interesting definition of faith, Rex. What parts of the bible might one reject?

Are they the parts where one's desire for license conflicts with God's authority?

We reject the parts that the holy spirit teaches us to reject.

Give this some thought.

Why did God in the OT no longer require the blood sacrifice of animals?

Because God once desired it perhaps he still does?

What does the sprit tell you in your heart? What does the word say? DID GOD CHANGE?

Is every verse a commandment or are parts of the Bible written to people of another time and dispensation with God?

The presence of the holy spirit today negates rituals that were required to make supplication in it's absence.

I will be back to comment more on this.

Are you serious, Rex?

The blood sacrifice of animals prefigured the sacrifice of Jesus.

Not all of the verses of the bible are commandments, but all are necessary if we are to understand God's will and purpose. (2Timothy 3:16)

The error of many christians today is their desire to dilute the parts of the bible that cause them moral discomfort.

Good point Neo...

Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Hebrews 10:8
Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Hebrews 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Comment:
This appears to say the blood of animals was no longer sufficient.

The idea is not to ignore scriptures but if in doubt to put them on a shelf and study them over time that they may reveal their actual meaning.

All scripture is God breathed but not always on the surface. That is why the epistle to Timothy tells us to study the word and not to just simply read it.

For instance an "unclean abomination" is that a sexual act or the disease that accompanies the act?

There is no sexual act involved with eating pork yet it is called the same thing also. So are we to amalgamate eating pork with homosexual acts or the disease often associated with the act?

How can there be a "natural use" between male and female if, according to Paul, "there is neither male nor female"?

Your point on "moral discomfort" is a good discussion.

Thanks for mentioning it.

Consider this.

Moral discomfort needs to be taken into consideration with the phrase sin consciousness.

Where there is sin consciousness there is usually LAW mentality…

Some people do evil without any consciousness of it and some are overly conscious of sin where they become disheartened every time they step on a bug.

People sadly sink into deep levels of depression and "condemnation" and even fear over simple mistakes in judgment that they never would probably ever consider doing again.

Many times it is only being the unfortunate one to have been exposed to a negative circumstance at that particular time.

Again, God meets us on our level. God knows how far we have to travel back to his graces. God knows we have been a long time in ignorance and wrong teaching. GOD KNOWS…

God's charity covers a multitude of our sins and sorrows. God does not have to look to our faults God looks to our spirit. Our spirit cannot sin.

So, bearing the same image of God, are we self judged by our external situation or by the inner spirit?

Well some say the inner spirit is an opportunist. It exists only to protect, deflect and rationalize all criticism of the outer sinful nature.

It is not the spirit that becomes corrupt and begins to subject the body to unconscionable depravity but it is the mind. The heart (which is within the mind) is lost again.

Lost in sin consciousness. Lost in the laws of the flesh rather than the grace of the spirit. What shall we focus our affections of the flesh or the holy spirit? Yet, often the MIND has lost the way of the spirit. The mind's hardened state can produce evil without conscience.

So is there holy spirit there in the midst of such vanity?

THAT IS FOR GOD TO DECIDE.

God just want us to try our best to walk down the middle road. To be educated in the matters of the spirit and to walk worthily of divine grace.

The path of corruption leads to worse nightmares of the flesh where the thought of God is so far from the heart/mind that people beg for death.

These are times when even compassion cannot reach their soul and only pity can fill the eternal void of their life's tragedy.

It would more be an indicator that when the conscience is not functioning that the spirit is being filtered by the mind.

This is where the word of God can help set the heart/mind back into it's correct view of the life of the spirit vs the death of the flesh.

When this balance of meekness is sought after, then the nature of the spirit begins to emerge.

Then every day is a path back to God unraveling the minds deceptions and illusions through his word.

The word of God and the spirit of God within us are the guide back to the presence of God. The doctrines of this world only lead to a sensual obsession that cannot be fulfilled or ever really obtained or realized fully.

No flesh can be physically perfect. If it was perfect it would never age or die.

Flesh is not justified by deeds it is justified by the spirit. Yes the flesh is an indicator of the spirit within but it is not a certainty. We are not physically liberated but spiritually liberated unto all good works in Christ Jesus.

Liberated... from sin condemnation, from a constant sense of "feeling bad".

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation [judgment] to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Comment:
It appears one needs to be walking and not just standing still.

The external practice of reading the word is a form of learning to walk. Prayer manifestations also and speaking/witnessing the word to others in conversations.

This reminds me of Moses who, I have had it taught to me, that he stood by the waters and said to the people, "STAND STILL and witness the glory of the Lord!" and nothing happened... It was not until he instructed the people actually, by faith, to begin to "MOVE/WALK forward" into the waters that the sea began to part and they were delivered from captivity.