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Feed my Lambs (moral standards)

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2008 12:37 pm
RexRed wrote:
If you have never heard of the terms Christ-in's then your knowledge of the word Christian is flawed.


As i said, you just make this **** up as you go along. But then, you follow it with this ! ! !

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This is evident when theologians have their dogma push them into a corner they come up with wild fanciful ideas.


Irony is not dead, it simply goes unrecognized by those who produce it.

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Therefore Paul must have come after he wrote this. He just jettisoned back in time. HOGWASH!


This not even remotely related to anything which i have written. (Do you actually know what the verb "to jettison" means? It's a transitive verb, Bubba, and as you use it here, it has no object--more incoherence.)

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How about if you take the document FIRST on what it actually says about itself?


Ever heard of circular "reasoning?"

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Then continue the logic on from there? How about giving the document even a slight bit of credibility?


There has to be a logical basis from which to proceed. You have not provided any logical basis for an assumption that scripture is divinely inspired and inerrant. No document can ever have any more credibility than it lends itself, and outside the context of the contemporary world in which it was produced.

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BTY I will probably write many more sentence fragments before all is said and done.


I expect no less.

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Many of my fragmented sentences contain more thought than generality.


Sentence fragments are not necessarily the same as fragmented sentences. Your sentence fragments are not followed by other, explanatory or justifying fragments. They are simply incoherent ramblings. Thought is the about the last thing which is evinced in the sentence fragments you produce. This last quoted sentence is not a fragment, nor is it coherent.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2008 02:05 pm
Again a complete post of drivel Set...

The baby is laying out on the lawn with the bath water.

Quote Set: There has to be a logical basis from which to proceed. know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2008 03:20 pm
Completely incoherent . . . there's no point in continuing, Rex is off the deep end again . . .
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jun, 2008 07:50 pm
Setanta wrote:
Completely incoherent . . . there's no point in continuing, Rex is off the deep end again . . .



What, you can't walk on water? Laughing
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2008 07:37 am
RexRed wrote:
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If you have faith you believe a good portion of the Bible and you take it's words with some divine authority if you don't you reject it then. . . .
This is a very interesting definition of faith, Rex. What parts of the bible might one reject?

Are they the parts where one's desire for license conflicts with God's authority?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2008 08:03 am
neologist wrote:
RexRed wrote:
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If you have faith you believe a good portion of the Bible and you take it's words with some divine authority if you don't you reject it then. . . .
This is a very interesting definition of faith, Rex. What parts of the bible might one reject?

Are they the parts where one's desire for license conflicts with God's authority?


We reject the parts that the holy spirit teaches us to reject.

Give this some thought.

Why did God in the OT no longer require the blood sacrifice of animals?

Because God once desired it perhaps he still does?

What does the sprit tell you in your heart? What does the word say? DID GOD CHANGE?

Is every verse a commandment or are parts of the Bible written to people of another time and dispensation with God?

The presence of the holy spirit today negates rituals that were required to make supplication in it's absence.

I will be back to comment more on this.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2008 09:34 am
Are you serious, Rex?

The blood sacrifice of animals prefigured the sacrifice of Jesus.

Not all of the verses of the bible are commandments, but all are necessary if we are to understand God's will and purpose. (2Timothy 3:16)

The error of many christians today is their desire to dilute the parts of the bible that cause them moral discomfort.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2008 10:27 am
neologist wrote:
Are you serious, Rex?

The blood sacrifice of animals prefigured the sacrifice of Jesus.

Not all of the verses of the bible are commandments, but all are necessary if we are to understand God's will and purpose. (2Timothy 3:16)

The error of many christians today is their desire to dilute the parts of the bible that cause them moral discomfort.


Good point Neo...

Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Hebrews 10:8
Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Hebrews 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

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This appears to say the blood of animals was no longer sufficient.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2008 10:37 am
The idea is not to ignore scriptures but if in doubt to put them on a shelf and study them over time that they may reveal their actual meaning.

All scripture is God breathed but not always on the surface. That is why the epistle to Timothy tells us to study the word and not to just simply read it.

For instance an "unclean abomination" is that a sexual act or the disease that accompanies the act?

There is no sexual act involved with eating pork yet it is called the same thing also. So are we to amalgamate eating pork with homosexual acts or the disease often associated with the act?

How can there be a "natural use" between male and female if, according to Paul, "there is neither male nor female"?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2008 11:35 am
Your point on "moral discomfort" is a good discussion.

Thanks for mentioning it.

Consider this.

Moral discomfort needs to be taken into consideration with the phrase sin consciousness.

Where there is sin consciousness there is usually LAW mentality…

Some people do evil without any consciousness of it and some are overly conscious of sin where they become disheartened every time they step on a bug.

People sadly sink into deep levels of depression and "condemnation" and even fear over simple mistakes in judgment that they never would probably ever consider doing again.

Many times it is only being the unfortunate one to have been exposed to a negative circumstance at that particular time.

Again, God meets us on our level. God knows how far we have to travel back to his graces. God knows we have been a long time in ignorance and wrong teaching. GOD KNOWS…

God's charity covers a multitude of our sins and sorrows. God does not have to look to our faults God looks to our spirit. Our spirit cannot sin.

So, bearing the same image of God, are we self judged by our external situation or by the inner spirit?

Well some say the inner spirit is an opportunist. It exists only to protect, deflect and rationalize all criticism of the outer sinful nature.

It is not the spirit that becomes corrupt and begins to subject the body to unconscionable depravity but it is the mind. The heart (which is within the mind) is lost again.

Lost in sin consciousness. Lost in the laws of the flesh rather than the grace of the spirit. What shall we focus our affections of the flesh or the holy spirit? Yet, often the MIND has lost the way of the spirit. The mind's hardened state can produce evil without conscience.

So is there holy spirit there in the midst of such vanity?

THAT IS FOR GOD TO DECIDE.

God just want us to try our best to walk down the middle road. To be educated in the matters of the spirit and to walk worthily of divine grace.

The path of corruption leads to worse nightmares of the flesh where the thought of God is so far from the heart/mind that people beg for death.

These are times when even compassion cannot reach their soul and only pity can fill the eternal void of their life's tragedy.

It would more be an indicator that when the conscience is not functioning that the spirit is being filtered by the mind.

This is where the word of God can help set the heart/mind back into it's correct view of the life of the spirit vs the death of the flesh.

When this balance of meekness is sought after, then the nature of the spirit begins to emerge.

Then every day is a path back to God unraveling the minds deceptions and illusions through his word.

The word of God and the spirit of God within us are the guide back to the presence of God. The doctrines of this world only lead to a sensual obsession that cannot be fulfilled or ever really obtained or realized fully.

No flesh can be physically perfect. If it was perfect it would never age or die.

Flesh is not justified by deeds it is justified by the spirit. Yes the flesh is an indicator of the spirit within but it is not a certainty. We are not physically liberated but spiritually liberated unto all good works in Christ Jesus.

Liberated... from sin condemnation, from a constant sense of "feeling bad".

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation [judgment] to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

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It appears one needs to be walking and not just standing still.

The external practice of reading the word is a form of learning to walk. Prayer manifestations also and speaking/witnessing the word to others in conversations.

This reminds me of Moses who, I have had it taught to me, that he stood by the waters and said to the people, "STAND STILL and witness the glory of the Lord!" and nothing happened... It was not until he instructed the people actually, by faith, to begin to "MOVE/WALK forward" into the waters that the sea began to part and they were delivered from captivity.
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