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Where are black soldiers in Eastwood films?

 
 
Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 09:29 am
Juanita revealed


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/stevetheq/blackwaitress.jpg
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Foofie
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 09:39 am
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Foofie, are you from around here?


a) Where's "here"?

b) Why would you ask?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 09:41 am
Just trying to make light conversation.
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au1929
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 09:41 am
Someone should point out to Spike that at the time the services were segregated and there were very few if any black combat units. Talk about rewriting history.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 09:41 am
Are you a dog?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 09:42 am
Not you, Au, I was talking to foofie
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 09:43 am
I think foofie is some sort of invasive creature, sent here by the neo-cons to stir up trouble.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 09:45 am
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/stevetheq/blackwaitress.jpg

Those faucets were wilted until Juanita came along.
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Foofie
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 09:45 am
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Are you a dog?


A hunting spaniel. The King's favorite.
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snood
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 11:21 am
I like Eastwood a lot, and don't think he's a racist. I like almost everything he's done, and appreciate his depiction of Charlie Parker in Bird, and his love of Jazz.

I also think its not unreasonable to want to see blacks in films if the setting depicted had or has blacks in it.
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joefromchicago
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 11:59 am
farmerman wrote:
Outside of a very few combat units and plane squadrons, black soldiers were relegated pretty much to support and infrastructure.

And one ship, the destroyer escort USS Mason. But you are correct: black servicemen were overwhelmingly assigned to support units rather than combat units. And any film depiction of the battle of Iwo Jima would not be accurate if it showed a lot of black soldiers in combat.
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Mame
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 12:54 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
I think foofie is some sort of invasive creature, sent here by the neo-cons to stir up trouble.


Funny! One could say the same about you, you rabble-rouser. :wink:
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snood
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 03:47 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
farmerman wrote:
Outside of a very few combat units and plane squadrons, black soldiers were relegated pretty much to support and infrastructure.

And one ship, the destroyer escort USS Mason. But you are correct: black servicemen were overwhelmingly assigned to support units rather than combat units. And any film depiction of the battle of Iwo Jima would not be accurate if it showed a lot of black soldiers in combat.


I'd settle for a couple swabbing a deck, if that was what they were actually there doing. I just don't agree with excluding them entirely as if they didn't exist until after 1964.
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shewolfnm
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 03:52 pm
Quote:
Where are black soldiers in Eastwood films?



Backstage serving watermelon to the white folk between takes



why?
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Foofie
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 07:41 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
I think foofie is some sort of invasive creature, sent here by the neo-cons to stir up trouble.


No, I'm not a "new conservative": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon

I've been a conservative, since the age of five.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Thu 22 May, 2008 09:30 pm
shewolfnm wrote:
Quote:
Where are black soldiers in Eastwood films?



Backstage serving watermelon to the white folk between takes



why?


no chicken?
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mysteryman
 
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Fri 23 May, 2008 03:06 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
farmerman wrote:
Outside of a very few combat units and plane squadrons, black soldiers were relegated pretty much to support and infrastructure.

And one ship, the destroyer escort USS Mason. But you are correct: black servicemen were overwhelmingly assigned to support units rather than combat units. And any film depiction of the battle of Iwo Jima would not be accurate if it showed a lot of black soldiers in combat.


Lets not forget the 92nd infantry division during WW2.
They were assigned to the 5th army, and were involved in the Italian campaign.
They had Medal of Honor-2; Distinguished Service Cross (United States Army)-2; Distinguished Service Medal (United States)-1; Silver Star-208; Legion of Merit-16; Soldier's Medal-6; Bronze Star -1,166; Purple Hearts-1891; Orders of the Crown of Italy-8; Military Crosses for Military Valor (Italian)-17; Military Crosses for Merit in War (Italian-22; Military Cross for Merit in War (Italian) 92nd Division Colors; War Medal (Brazil)-1

Of course, there was also the "Tuskeegee airmen", one of the most successful fighter squadrons of WW2.
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snood
 
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Sat 24 May, 2008 01:38 pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/20/usa.film

While the battle scene's in the film - which opens today in the US - show scores of young soldiers in combat, none of them are African-American. Yet almost 900 African-American troops took part in the battle of Iwo Jima, including Sgt McPhatter.
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"It would take only a couple of extras and everyone would be happy," she said. "No one's asking for them to be the stars of the movies, but at least show that they were there. This is the way a new generation will think about Iwo Jima. Once again it will be that African-American people did not serve, that we were absent. It's a lie."
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Foofie
 
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Sat 24 May, 2008 10:30 pm
snood wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/20/usa.film

While the battle scene's in the film - which opens today in the US - show scores of young soldiers in combat, none of them are African-American. Yet almost 900 African-American troops took part in the battle of Iwo Jima, including Sgt McPhatter.
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"It would take only a couple of extras and everyone would be happy," she said. "No one's asking for them to be the stars of the movies, but at least show that they were there. This is the way a new generation will think about Iwo Jima. Once again it will be that African-American people did not serve, that we were absent. It's a lie."


O.K., worse case scenario is that the perception might be by many a movie goer that African-Americans didn't serve in this battle. And, if that's not true, is that germane to the story in the movie? It is germane to those that find the movie less than historically accurate in that regard.

If it was a documentary, I would agree that the inaccuracy is germane, regardless of who is seeing the movie. But, if it is a movie that highlights another story, what is the difference, other than giving a false perception to people that were focusing on the movie's story? Like in the movie The Ten Commandments, Moses was a few shades lighter than what he was in reality, very likely. That's Hollywood making a movie that makes a profit. Perhaps, some African-Americans should have made a complaint that people of color weren't getting credit for being essential in the development of monotheism?

My point is complaining has more merit, I believe, when it isn't just perceived as self-serving, or ethnocentric.
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snood
 
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Sun 25 May, 2008 05:19 am
Well, I will agree with you that ethnocentrism has something to do with the complaint.

I guess its all perspective...
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