Einstein: Nothing 'chosen' about the Jews

The world would definitely be better off without Christianity or Islam (or Judaism, for that matter). Freudian pseudo-psychology and communism haven't done us much good either.

Jews have made many contributions to the history and culture of our planet, but some of those contributions were not good at all. It seems God chose some very bad and useless people.

brahmin wrote:

anyway, let take away a few jews then. no abraham, no moses, no jesus, no freud, no marx, no einstein and we already have started missing christianity, islam, mosaic law, psychoanalysis, communism and relativity.

As science is a progressive discovery of knowledge, someone else would have found out about relativity in the end, just like in my example where if we take away Charles Darwin, someone else (namely Alfred Wallace) would have found out about Evolution.

Likewise, take away the Chinese and someone else would have eventually found out about gunpowder.

The race to develop the world's first atomic bomb began at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in the USA in the 1940's. J. Robert Oppenheimer, who headed the Project, succeeded in developing the world's first atomic bomb with the 'Trinity' blast in New Mexico at that time. Edward Teller soon afterward developed the Hydrogen bomb, followed by Sam Cohen who, in years following, invented the Nuetron Bomb. All 3 were Jewish.

They've invented something that will end humanity on this planet.



Thank "God's chosen people" when you disintegrate into nuclear dust

the havoc caused by atom bombs as yet many times lesser than that caused by christianity, islam, marxism, feminism etc. i never said that everything they came up with contributed positively to humanity. i said the world would be a very different place without their contributions both good and bad

to take away the chinese you got to take away a billion.
to take away the jews you take away a dozen million if that. and yet taking them away would make a greater difference than taking away an equal number of any other people.

do you know the difference between discovery and invention ??

But seriously Brahmin, do you really feel this is a very productive topic? How much better jews are than any other race?

brahmin wrote:

the havoc caused by atom bombs as yet many times lesser than that caused by christianity, islam, marxism, feminism etc. i never said that everything they came up with contributed positively to humanity. i said the world would be a very different place without their contributions both good and bad

Heh, what a statement. I really don't see how feminism has killed more than the hiroshima and nagasaki bombs, but hey! Maybe I'm just ignorant of history or something.

But seriously Brahmin, do you really feel this is a very productive topic? How much better jews are than any other race?

That is debatable. Would Einstein have been able to do any of the things he had done if the Indians hadn't invented our current numeral system or if Max Plank hadn't been around? Would any of our current scientists be doing things the way they are doing things, if it weren't for Newton or the scientists that came before them?

Would Niels Bohr and Heisenberg met and developed their theories if it weren't for trains, the first of which was invented by Richard Trevithick? Would they have achieved their work were it not for Michael Faraday and his cathode rays, which inevitably sparked interest in the realm of the quantum in the first place?

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do you know the difference between discovery and invention ??

Do you?

Ultimately, it has been argued to me before that mankind cannot invent anything as to invent anything is to create something new. But how can something be new if an all-seeing, all-knowing God has thought up of it first? I disagree with that notion, but it just goes to show you the absurdity of your question.

What does it matter if the Chinese discovered something and didn't invent it? The crux of the matter is that their discovery sparked a new revolution in the way we lived at that time. Compasses allowed us to navigate waters without hugging the land. Gunpowder allowed us to... well... wage war in new ways, and it gave us fireworks and eventually led to rocket technology.

If there had never been any Indians, if there had never been any Chinese, this world would be too unrecognisable. This, is of course, because their work laid the foundations. And the Jewish scientists and inventors built on that. The political thinkers built on earlier work. The economists built on earlier work.

Everything is built on the backs of other people's work and take one thing away and you get nothing. No one person is more important, with the possible exception of Sir Isaac Newton and Francis Bacon, advocators of scientific thought.

Coolwhip wrote:

But seriously Brahmin, do you really feel this is a very productive topic? How much better jews are than any other race?

Good point. Perhaps we should refocus the topic on how Aryans are better than any other race? Oh wait... why does that sound familiar?

Many of the Nobel laureates (304) came from America. Are we then to assume that this is proof that Americans are the best at biochemistry?
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Not to mention that this thread is about Jews being the Chosen People of God. Are you suggesting then that Jews are thick as two short planks, and that the only reason they've achieved so much is through God's will? That, if left to their own devices, they'd have achieved nothing?

I only ask, because I am suddenly reminded of a story about a German woman whom lived during Hitler's regime. She talked about this tall, blue-eyed, blonde woman, the very role-model of the Aryan ideal. The German woman talked about how she saw this blonde woman walking around with a Jewish star on her coat and was later taken away with the other Jews. It reminds me of how absolutely arbitrary some notions of race really are, with no real basis in factual reality..

I suppose Einstein was a selfhating Jew?

Your argument's not bad, Foofie, but I don't think you've taken into account other factors. For example, a large number of Jewish Nobel laureates tend to be from America. What if it's them being in America, working in heavily funded labs?

Is a Jew in Nigeria going to achieve the same thing as a Jew in America?

Intelligence cannot be inherited, but if you want to say that something is inherited, I'd say that the potential for higher intelligence is inherited.

foofie-- there are plenty of good looking Jews that do not fit into the tall, blonde model, and their not suffering for it.

Overall, you've stated your argument well, but it's the last part which leaves me scratching my head.

Gala wrote:

foofie-- there are plenty of good looking Jews that do not fit into the tall, blonde model, and their not suffering for it.

Overall, you've stated your argument well, but it's the last part which leaves me scratching my head.

I've read accounts of those that did the machine gunning of Russian Jews, as the Wermacht went farther into Russia. The question was asked whether they minded all this cold blooded killing. One answer was that they were mostly short. In other words, being comparatively short was one added feature of being dehumanized by the Nazis. It is always better to be taller and blonder in a society that is dominated by that type. In the U.S. CEO's tend to be quite tall. Women that get "plum" positions tend to be blond and taller. The WASP image is just more marketable in the U.S., perhaps in many places.

Foofie wrote:

Gala wrote:

foofie-- there are plenty of good looking Jews that do not fit into the tall, blonde model, and their not suffering for it.

Overall, you've stated your argument well, but it's the last part which leaves me scratching my head.

I've read accounts of those that did the machine gunning of Russian Jews, as the Wermacht went farther into Russia. The question was asked whether they minded all this cold blooded killing. One answer was that they were mostly short. In other words, being comparatively short was one added feature of being dehumanized by the Nazis. It is always better to be taller and blonder in a society that is dominated by that type. In the U.S. CEO's tend to be quite tall. Women that get "plum" positions tend to be blond and taller. The WASP image is just more marketable in the U.S., perhaps in many places.

I know what you're saying. But you are speaking for the Jews, and unless you are Jewish then you haven't a clue on this one.