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Food costs/prices rising, what are the causes?

 
 
Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 09:34 am
I'm wondering what the primary factors are in causing the recent sharp rise in food costs/prices?

I'm aware that there are a number of factors, but I'm not clear on what their relative impacts are.

Is it primarily a supply and demand problem with the food itself, or is it more of a transportation and processing cost due to fuel charges or is it something else?

Again, I know there are multiple factors causing this, I'm more interested in the proportional effect of each identifiable factor (and possible interactions).
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 09:38 am
THere are some inherent increases due to the rise in fuel costs, but in most cases, these folks have just learned a lesson from the energy companies. Find a way to squeeze supply even or at least make it look like there's a shortfall, and the speculators will drive up the price.

Ever notice there is no shortage of gasoline but the price just keeps going up due to "increasing demand and limited supply"? If there's a shortage, why can you always buy gasoline?
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NickFun
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 09:55 am
Perhaps the oil companies are simply peparing for the day when we have exhausted all oil supplies in the world. Maybe they are afraid of alternative energy stripping them of the demand. Perhaps they are worried for the future of their own children and those that rely on the oil industry for their livelihoods.

Or maybe they're just greedy sons of bitches.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 10:49 am
cjhsa wrote:
THere are some inherent increases due to the rise in fuel costs, but in most cases, these folks have just learned a lesson from the energy companies. Find a way to squeeze supply even or at least make it look like there's a shortfall, and the speculators will drive up the price.

How much affect on supply & demand is being caused by China and India becoming oil-based economies so rapidly? In parts of Beijing bicycles are no longer permitted. This is a huge change from 10 years ago.

cjhsa wrote:
Ever notice there is no shortage of gasoline but the price just keeps going up due to "increasing demand and limited supply"? If there's a shortage, why can you always buy gasoline?

Even though collusion and price fixing are technically illegal, it seems likely that oil companies do it anyway.

Normally prices are somewhat controlled by selective purchasing by consumers (who select lower prices), but many people don't drive out of their way to purchase gas at a few cents less than another location. Maybe as prices increase customers will push back with selective purchasing (and purchasing of more efficient cars).

But how does all this relate to food prices?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 10:52 am
BBB
Three major causes among many others are:

1. Rising cost of oil results in higher transporation gas costs to transport food from producer to consumer in addition to higher costs for producers.

2. Stupid idea to grow corn for ethenal vehicle fuel, reducing the amount of corn for feeding people. Grain shortages around the world are causing producer countries to reduce exports to serve their people.

3. Speculators and hedge funds are driving up commodity prices to make obscene amounts of money. They are artifically driving up costs to consumers.

BBB
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 11:15 am
Hey, I agree with BBB!!!

[off to buy a Lotto ticket]
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 11:23 am
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
2. Stupid idea to grow corn for ethenal vehicle fuel, reducing the amount of corn for feeding people. Grain shortages around the world are causing producer countries to reduce exports to serve their people.BBB


More than just reducing corn for feeding people. Corn acreage increases at the expense of other crops being grown. Land suitable only for pasture is being crowded into corn production, and land that shouldn't be used for anything goes into pasture. Corn is a part of feed for beef and, I suppose, milk cattle. Beef and milk become more expensive.

I don't suppose a devalued dollar does anything to help prices of food, or anything else.
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 11:28 am
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Three major causes among many others are:

1. Rising cost of oil results in higher transporation gas costs to transport food from producer to consumer in addition to higher costs for producers.

2. Stupid idea to grow corn for ethenal vehicle fuel, reducing the amount of corn for feeding people. Grain shortages around the world are causing producer countries to reduce exports to serve their people.

3. Speculators and hedge funds are driving up commodity prices to make obscene amounts of money. They are artifically driving up costs to consumers.

BBB


These 3 are all good solid items. I'd add the dropping value of the U.S dollar (which is what many international markets use to price products in the commodities world).

And while ethanol is getting a bad rap on the corn prices it isn't the only factor there either. We have plenty of corn in storage in the U.S.. Most of it isn't suitable for human or livestock consumption though. It was grown specifically to be used to produce corn syrup sweeteners.

The speculators (in BBB's #3) see the types of crops available and where crop failures are happening (Wheat and rice in Egypt, Sudan, the Phillipines, Vietnam, India, etc...) and they are playing their game. If there are crop failures in those areas that means grains have to be shipped in. Ships use oil to get from point A to point B, etc... IMO, this is where the biggest chunk of the increases are coming from.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 12:34 pm
What about the drop in housing values in the US. Are investors and banks looking for new places to put their money for investment reasons, resulting in price speculation on food stocks?

I'm wondering why food prices have been relatively stable for almost 20 years (or decreasing) and now show such a surge. Is it simply a confluence of market conditions which happened to occur at the same time, or was this increase triggered by a specific event, or a few specific events?
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 01:05 pm
"confluence of market conditions" sounds like a good answer, though they all seem tied to rising energy costs. Corn for ethanol is surely a part of the increase. Fuel used in transport and production are another part. Hey, if we had enough free energy, there isn't much we could produce at lower costs.

I can't begin to know if speculation in commodities is important, or not. Speculators may influence price, but still, they are placing their bets on an anticipitated change in price due to known conditions.
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 01:31 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
What about the drop in housing values in the US. Are investors and banks looking for new places to put their money for investment reasons, resulting in price speculation on food stocks?



I think that's entirely plausible. The same could be said for the average 401K holder. Real Estate Mutual funds have tanked in the last 2 years. Where are Billy and Susie Averageworker investing their retirement funds nowadays?
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 01:46 pm
roger wrote:
"confluence of market conditions" sounds like a good answer, though they all seem tied to rising energy costs. Corn for ethanol is surely a part of the increase. Fuel used in transport and production are another part. Hey, if we had enough free energy, there isn't much we could produce at lower costs.


I can't begin to know if speculation in commodities is important, or not. Speculators may influence price, but still, they are placing their bets on an anticipitated change in price due to known conditions.


I don't think you can seperate the two. Energy is a commodity item. Oil, gas, etc.. are all sold on the commodities markets at the wholesale level. They're all a part of the great big daisy chain.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2008 01:53 pm
fishin wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
What about the drop in housing values in the US. Are investors and banks looking for new places to put their money for investment reasons, resulting in price speculation on food stocks?



I think that's entirely plausible. The same could be said for the average 401K holder. Real Estate Mutual funds have tanked in the last 2 years. Where are Billy and Susie Averageworker investing their retirement funds nowadays?


I'm even for the year. I had lost a bit then rebalanced and now I'm right back where I was on Jan. 1 (not counting what I added).
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2008 04:47 am
Guys, don't forget that fertilisers contain products that come from petroleum products and that pesticides also contain products that come from petroleum products.

If oil prices rise, so do the prices of fertilisers and pesticides. Unless, of course, you decide to go organic.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2008 09:15 am
Reducing petroleum use will not be easy; it is everywhere
Northwest Indiana Minority Distributor Petro Chemicals/Petroleum
Thomko Blog

Petrochemical Products Made from Petroleum (Crude Oil)

There are more than 4,000 petrochemical products that are made from petroleum (crude oil).

Here's a list of the most popular and frequently used products:

Artificial Limbs
Bags (garbage bags, shopping bags)
Balloons
Bandaids
Candles
Clothing (polyester, nylon)
Combs
Computers, calculators
Crayons
Credit Cards
Dishwashing Liquids
Disposable Diapers
Eye Glasses, Sunglasses
Fertilizers
Fishing Rods
Flooring (linoleum, tiles, carpets)
Garden Hose
Hand Lotion, Cream, Petroleum Jelly
Helmets (bicycle, hockey, etc.)
Heart Valves
Helmets (bicycle, hockey, etc.)
Insect Repellent
Insecticides
Life Jackets
Milk Jugs
Paint Brushes
Panty Hose
Parachutes
Patio Furniture
Pens
Perfume
Rope (nylon)
Safety Glass
Shampoo
Shower Curtains, Shower Doors
Soft Contact Lenses
Soft Drink Bottles, Plastic Bottles
Tape (clear, masking, etc.)
Tapes - (cassettes, vcr tapes)
Telephones
Tennis rackets
Tents
Toys, Dolls, Model Cars
Tires (synthetic rubber)
Toothbrushes, Toothpaste Tubes
Trash Bags
TV Cabinets
Umbrellas
Unbreakable Dishes
Waterproof Jackets, Boots, Pants

For more information on Petrochemicals, see the following:

What are Petrochemicals?
History of Petrochemicals
Petrochemicals in the Body
Petrochemical Petroleum Products
Harmful Petrochemicals
The Dangers of DEA
How Plastic Is Made
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2008 09:19 am
Petrochemicals in the Body
Petrochemicals in the Body

The Petrochemical Industry has provided us with valuable medical and much needed industrial products, however petrochemicals are also dangerous - depending on their use.

Do you know that Petrochemicals are found in most food products, our water, household cleaning products, personal care products, household furnishings, and even children's toys?

These petrochemicals CAN be absorbed through the skin and scalp, and then human organs and tissues - and over time these chemical agents can lead to nerve, liver and brain damage, birth defects, acute asthma, and cancer - Shocking, but true.

There are more than 80,000 chemicals in use today - far more than we humanly know how to categorize, and more than we know what to do with. More important, we have no idea of the effects on the human body, or the effect on our environment of 90% of these chemical compounds.

Chemicals are released into the air, water and ground. These chemical releases can severely affect human life and the environment. In this case, we cannot talk about one without the other. We all breathe the air, drink the water, and much of our food comes from the ground, and water.

So Where Do We Start?

You may find toxins almost anywhere in your home, but some of the important places to consider eliminating toxic substances are:

Household Cleaning Products
Fruits & Vegetables
Water
Personal Care Products
Home Furnishings

Household Cleaning Products

When you use toxic cleaners, the chemicals stay in the air for hours, even days, and you and your family breathe them into your body. The residue left behind by these chemicals are also toxic to anyone who touches or uses the surface where the chemical residue is left.

Now, to further complicate this toxic problem, when you use additional chemicals on these surfaces, the combination of chemicals can actually create another toxic compound.

It is advisable to get fresh air into your home as much as possible to disburse these chemical agents, and look for cleaning products that are natural and made from non toxic ingredients.

Experts say the average household contains anywhere from 3-25 gallons of toxic materials, most of which are in cleaning products. There is no government law that requires manufacturers of cleaning products to list ingredients on their labels, or to test their products for safety.

So, it's up to you, to choose your cleaning products wisely.

When you buy new cleaning products, look for manufacturers who list the natural ingredients on the label. Also you should purchase products that contain non-petroleum-basedchlorine and phosphate free surfactants, products that are , and products that claim to be "non-toxic" and products that are biodegradable.

A note of caution: some cleaners may advertise that they are "environmentally sound" but will fail to provide a full list of ingredients. In looking for products, make sure you can read the list of ingredients.

Some products are marketed as non-toxic and natural, but do not list the natural ingredients. Remember, the manufacturer that gives you the most information about its product is usually the manufacturer you can trust.

While these chemicals have been used for years to clean homes and offices, studies now show that these chemicals have an adverse effect on humans. We've become used to reading the words "Danger, Toxic, Warning or Poison" on the back label of cleaning products, but never considered the risk to our health if we used these products "safely".

Well this was yesterday, but today we know these chemicals produce toxic fumes and leave toxic residues throughout our home no matter how "safely" we use them.

Safe Food and Drink

Purchasing organic food, and growing your own vegetables is the safest way to reduce the amount of toxin in your food intake.

Frozen products and canned foods contain petrochemicals. Fruits and vegetables (which are supposed to be food for you) are highly contaminated with petrochemicals used in fertilizers, pest control and petrochemical solutions that "make" your fruit look better - as in "shiny".

Since our government has not taken the problem of food safety seriously, it will be up to the American people to demand safe food, free of pesticides and petrochemicals.

Water is another big safety issue. Tap water is treated with chlorine or chlorine dioxide. These two petrochemicals can form into chloroform, which is linked to liver, nervous system damage and kidney failure.

Bottled water has become a billion dollar operation, however buying bottled water is not assurance the water is free from harmful chemicals.

Aspartame - Artificial sweetners such as Nutra Sweet and Equal both contain phenylalanine and methanol, and should be avoided. Splenda (sucralose) is marketed as natural because it is made from sugar. It starts out as sugar, but winds up as an artificial, synthetic product. The structure of sugar is changed chemically by substituting three chlorine atoms for three hydroxyl groups.

These product types are also used in many of the diet soft drinks, and thousands of other "diet" or low carb products.

Personal Care Products

Every bathroom cabinet in America is full of chemical compounds, and other harmful synthetic substances.

Once again, the federal government does not require companies to provide a full disclosure on what chemicals are used to make personal care products.

Your mouth wash, toothpaste, soap, shampoo and other hygiene products contain a wide variety of chemical compounds and synthetic substances - all petroleum based. Since consumers are not allowed to know the chemical make up of these products, you obviously have no idea what harmful chemicals you apply to your body on a daily basis.

While many natural products on the market may be higher in cost, they are the choice for those who take their health, and their families health seriously.

When choosing natural products, the best products contain a list of the ingredients - and these ingredients will have familiar names - unlike the 20 or more letter ingredients that most of us cannot pronounce.

For example, many natural soaps contain olive oil, coconut oil, cocoa butter, and organic botanical extracts.

Females need to be aware that tampons are made from rayon (highly chlorine-bleached wood pulp) and/or low-grade cotton, which has often been grown overseas and has been treated with DDT. Many tampons are subjected to chlorine-based bleaching. Women should consider switching to sanitary pads that are non-chlorine beached rather than tampons.

Non permanent Hair Dye contains a combination of peroxide and ammonia, which has been proven to damage and alter the molecular structure of hair, and can cause allergic reactions. Permanent dyes contain tiny amounts of coal tar, which is a harmful petrochemical for the body.

The quest to have "brighter" clothes has brought about Optical Brighteners, also called optical bleaches or fluorescent whitening agents. This is a group of colorless, fluorescent chemicals that absorb ultraviolet light and emit it back as visible blue light. The blue light actually masks the yellowing, and makes it appear brighter and whiter.

Optical Brighteners have been a marketing genius for companies that manufacture detergents, however in reality they are simply a "special effect", and your clothes are not cleaner, nor are they brighter or whiter.

Optical Brighteners stay on your clothes, and can produce skin reactions, and irritation to any part of your body. As for the environment, the chemicals are toxic to fish, and over time scientist state these chemicals can actually mutate bacteria. Optical Brighteners are also non-biodegradable, and once they get into the ground or water, they stay.

Home Furnishings

While energy efficient homes save money on utilities, these tightly constructed homes, schools and business buildings do not allow the flow of fresh air. In these air tight environments, chemical fumes from paint, stains, furniture, cleaning products, and other materials create a toxic environment.

While we are all concerned about the breathing quality of the outside air, recent studies show the air in the average homes is 2-5 times more polluted than the air outside.

Older homes that were built before 1980 have their own particular toxic problems - lead paint on the walls and woodwork. In an older home that has lead paint, just opening and closing doors and windows can release fine lead particles into the air, and when remodeling an older home, more of these dangerous particles get into the air, and home furnishings.

When the Consumer Products Safety Commission studied air pollution, it found that outdoor air contained an average of less than 10 volatile organic compounds (or VOCs-a type of airborne pollutant) while indoor air contained approximately 150.1 VOC's.

Carpet is one of the most toxic elements in our homes. The carpet backing is made of toxic petrochemicals, the pad is toxic, and the glue is also toxic. These chemicals are especially harmful to small children, who spend time playing on carpeted floors, and also household pets.

When choosing a company to clean your carpet, be aware many of the companies use harmful petrochemicals, and the fragrance to disguise the chemical order is also toxic. Search for companies who do not use these products.

How about the furniture in your home? Well, furniture made from plywood or particle board are treated with formaldehyde and can emit toxic fumes in your home for up to five years after purchase.

The cushions on your couch and chairs are made from polyurethane plastic and are covered in acrylic, polyester or polyvinyl chloride - more toxins.

Your children's toys are not exempt from toxins. Toxic plastic toys are made of poly vinyl chloride (PVC). In order to keep the plastic flexible and soft, the use of the chemical phthalates is used. This chemical emits toxic fumes that are inhaled by children, as well as ingested when children put these toys in their mouths. Even the infamous Barbie doll is made of PVC.

Another cause of concern are games and puzzles that contain mercury beads. Mercury is extremely poisonous, can be absorbed through the skin, and lead to death.

According to Greenpeace, children are exposed to a variety of these plasticizers via vinyl childcare products like toys. The Consumer Products Safety Commission has requested that toy manufacturers cease using polyvinyl chloride, however many PVC toys still remain on the market.

What Can You Do To Decrease Toxins in Your Body & Home?

As mentioned above, you should have as much fresh air circulating through your home as possible.

Only use paints and stains that are low VOC, and avoid spray paint entirely. One example of a good low VOC paint is Benjamin Moore Eco Spec - ask around for other low VOC paints.

Purchase furniture that have whole wood frames, along with cotton and wool cushions

If you dry clean your clothes, take them out of the plastic bag, and air out for 3-4 days before bringing into your home. Perc is a toxic chemical used in the dry cleaning process, and it causes damage to the central nervous system, birth defects, and cancer. Initial effects upon breathing Perc is usually headaches and dizziness.

When purchasing children's toys, try to find toys made from polyethylene or polypropylene, which are both non-chlorinated. If you are not sure of the chemical make up of a plastic toy, it is best to avoid buying at all, especially in the case of small children and babies.

Burn Candles made from beeswax or vegetable wax instead of petroleum based paraffin wax.

Purchase an Air Purifier, and also a vacuum cleaner with a HEPA filer (High Efficiency Particular Air) - both are excellent if you suffer from allergies.

Switch to natural household cleaning products

Purchase fruits and vegetables from as many local merchants as possible, or buy organic fruit and vegetables in the store

Become pro-active, learn which products to avoid, contact government representatives about your concerns, and be sure to tell your family & friends

Chronic Exposure

The good news is that the majority of people are not normally exposed to large doses of chemicals. Chronic exposure is the term used for exposure to chemical substances at levels significantly below the toxic level.

In other words, we normally do not inhale or ingest enough chemicals to kill us immediately, but instead inhale or ingest enough chemicals that may eventually cause serious health problems, and harmful effects to our environment.

The petrochemical industry is growing by leaps and bounds, and petrochemicals are here to stay. Governments are not requiring full disclosure of petrochemicals in products people use everyday, so it will be up to the people to demand these changes, along with adopting more natural products and foods into their lifestyle.

Also take a look at products made from petroleum YOU use everyday -
Popular Products Made From Petrochemicals

More Information About Petrochemicals

What Are Petrochemicals?
History of Petrochemicals
Petrochemicals in the Body
Harmful Petrochemicals
How Plastic Is Made
Dangers of DEA - Personal Care Products

Other Web Resources:
Wikipedia Definition of Petrochemicals

Also See
National Coalition Against the Misuse of Pesticides
Pesticide Action Network of North America
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2008 09:45 am
Excuse me, we need ethanol as an alternative, or are you willing to
continue shoveling billions of dollars into Iran?

The demand for non-ethanol corn use is flat.
Quote:
Corn use for livestock feed is not projected to grow significantly in the long term. Economists project livestock and residual use to
average about 5.5 to 5.8 billion bushels between 2007 and 2016, down from an average of about 6.1 billion bushels between 2004 and 2006. Export use and non-ethanol processing use also are not expected to increase significantly. Many economists project export use to average 1.9 to 2.1 billion bushels between 2007 and 2016. It could be argued that total non-ethanol corn use is likely to level off at about 9.1 billion bushels
(high case) in the long-term. Accordingly, increased production can go to ethanol without radically affecting traditional markets.


I am certain, in future there will be sources other than corn to produce ethanol, but until then, corn is the main source.

http://www.ncga.com/ethanol/pdfs/2007/HowMuchEthanolCanComeFromCorn0207.pdf (good read)
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2008 09:58 am
Calamity
CalamityJane wrote:
Excuse me, we need ethanol as an alternative, or are you willing to
continue shoveling billions of dollars into Iran?

The demand for non-ethanol corn use is flat.
Quote:
Corn use for livestock feed is not projected to grow significantly in the long term. Economists project livestock and residual use to
average about 5.5 to 5.8 billion bushels between 2007 and 2016, down from an average of about 6.1 billion bushels between 2004 and 2006. Export use and non-ethanol processing use also are not expected to increase significantly. Many economists project export use to average 1.9 to 2.1 billion bushels between 2007 and 2016. It could be argued that total non-ethanol corn use is likely to level off at about 9.1 billion bushels
(high case) in the long-term. Accordingly, increased production can go to ethanol without radically affecting traditional markets.


I am certain, in future there will be sources other than corn to produce ethanol, but until then, corn is the main source.
http://www.ncga.com/ethanol/pdfs/2007/HowMuchEthanolCanComeFromCorn0207.pdf (good read)


Not true. Corn is the least effective way to produce fuel. The most plentiful source of fiber to produce ethanal is the waste trash in our landfills.

BBB
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2008 10:07 am
It's not simply waste trash, BBB. Cellulose and other bio waste can be
used, produces even more ethanol than derived from corn, but there
isn't enough cellulose/ bio waste to produce as of yet.

As I said, in future there will be better sources, now corn is the main
source.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2008 10:10 am
In Brazil they produce ethanol from sugar, as they have plenty of
sugar cane to fuel. We in the US have plenty of corn.
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