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Barack Obama - in trouble for not paying "street money"?

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 09:55 am
dyslexia wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I thought I heard on the radio that the DNC would be poviding the cash to get the Philadelphians motivated.
I thought I heard on the radio that McGentrix was on lifesupport and pronounced braindead.


http://www.cleavelin.net/archives001/082505bush.jpg
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 11:36 am
McGentrix wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I thought I heard on the radio that the DNC would be poviding the cash to get the Philadelphians motivated.
I thought I heard on the radio that McGentrix was on lifesupport and pronounced braindead.


http://www.cleavelin.net/archives001/082505bush.jpg
actually what I thought I heard was that there was no change in McGentrix condition, what was actually said was "McGentrix remains braindead."
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fishin
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 03:36 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
fishin wrote:
How does a homeless person register where they live? By definition, they don't live in any fixed place... They're homless. *shrugs*


According to our (federal as well as those of the states) constitutions, every German has the constitutional right to vote. And that includes homeless citzens (who have to register and thus prove that they live for a certain time [three months, I think] in a state [or community, with local elections]).



Great! But there isn't any real difference here from our system. We have the same right t vote and someone living in a homeless shelter is required to register to vote. If they are in a shelter then they can use the shelter for their residence. I believe most states only require proof of residence for 30 days here.

What we don't have is any way to force homeless people to live in shelters. If they choose to live on the streets or in a park or just wander the highways they are allowed to do so.

So how would your system handle someone that has no fixed address? Do they register their residence with each and every town as they move around each day? That seems highly unlikely.

And, since we have no national ID and they wouldn't have a mailing address nothing is changed here. To a large extent, when people are talking about photo IDs to register to vote these are a good portion of the people that don't have them. The same proof that your system requires to show that the person is living in a shelter would be needed here to register to vote. Many of these homeless people don't have that proof.
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fishin
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 03:49 pm
nimh wrote:
fishin wrote:
Well, if you don't have any requirement to register with your town when you move... that sort of goes out the window.

Well yeah, thats the part I dont understand really - why you dont have one. It simplifies things a lot.

fishin wrote:
How does a homeless person register where they live? By definition, they don't live in any fixed place...

They can register at a homeless shelter...

fishin wrote:
If we were required to register our presence when we moved it would just shift the whole issue to that registration instead of the voter registration and you'd still have the same complaints.

You wouldnt have any of these problematic practices like you've just quoted about ACORN. In fact, since the same registration is used by the municipality, for example, to cash the municipal taxes, they usually find out pretty quickly if it's a fictional person that's registered.

There's always some issues, like with illegal subletters, but nothing like the kind of stuff you hear about from America every time there are elections. It's weird; I mean, you are the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world, and yet the elections process is such a mess...


Even if we had a municiple registration law here I doubt the populace would accept it being used for other purposes. The idea of a database that links everything you do with the government in one system scares the bejeezus out of people. The minute any proposal was made to link your residence registration to the tax system, voter registration, dog licensing, etc... it would die right there.

Here in MA every city/town is required (by law) to conduct an annual census. This is over and above the Federal Census done every 10 years. That system isn't linked to any other system that the town uses with one exception - voter registration DISENROLLMENT. If you don't complete the census you are automatically disenrolled from the eligible voters rolls. Otherwise, it isn't linked to the property tax system or the personal property tax system (which aren't even linked together and they're both tax system! Razz ). None of them are linked to the town public library, the Town Clerk's office or the towns water and electric systems. And, even though the census system will work for getting you disenrolled for the voter rolls, it doens't work in reverse - completing the census with the town does nothing for getting you onto the voter rolls.

But, as I said earlier, wouldn't this just be changing where the issues show up? If people have to provide proof of where they live and who they are when they register with the town then how is there any more or less of a burden to require proof when they register to vote? Proof is proof. Whether you need it an June (when you move) or October (when you register to vote), you'd still need it. If you don't have any... you are still out of luck.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 10:22 pm
dyslexia wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I thought I heard on the radio that the DNC would be poviding the cash to get the Philadelphians motivated.
I thought I heard on the radio that McGentrix was on lifesupport and pronounced braindead.


http://www.cleavelin.net/archives001/082505bush.jpg
actually what I thought I heard was that there was no change in McGentrix condition, what was actually said was "McGentrix remains braindead."


the funny thing is that mcg continues to be under the illusion that the guy in the picture is only giving that gesture to liberals...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2008 10:53 pm
fishin wrote:
So how would your system handle someone that has no fixed address? Do they register their residence with each and every town as they move around each day? That seems highly unlikely.


If they want to get their daily wellfare: yes.
If they want to get health insurance (and thus treatment at doctors and hospitals): yes.
If they want to vote: yes.


There are of course more than just 'some', who don't want such.
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