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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 03:28 am
Help please. Did John Wayne ever play the outlaw Bat Masterson?
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 04:28 am
www.imdb.com would know.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 06:58 am
That doesn't sound like a character he would play, but, who knows for sure? Let us know what you learn. Thanks.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 07:23 am
I own many of the movies Wayne was ever in and he never played Masterson in any of them. I can't think of any reference to him doing so either.
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lezzles
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 08:08 am
I've never come across anything to suggest Bat Masterson was an outlaw. He was a buffalo hunter, a lawman (one of Wyatt Earp's cronies), a gambler and a newspaperman. He was arrested in New York for illegal gambling but, if memory serves me right, was fined, not jailed, for the offence.
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upandrunning
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 09:12 am
Thank you jespah - no luck I'm afraid.
Hi fishin. This is a picture quiz with the name of stars who have played the real wild west characters in the pictures, I'm left with John Wayne. I cannot get an answer to the picture I thought was Bat Masterson - I'm obviously wrong.
Hello lezzles - I have just checked and found the word gunfighter attributed to Masterson and took that to be an outlaw. As I have explained above, I don't really know if Masterson is the one in the picture. Dark moustache, dark hair parted on the left, looks about 50 years old!
Any help appreciated.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 09:55 am
Have you got a link to the pic?

I'm trying to think of movies he was in where he had a 'stach. She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, The Shootist and Rio Grande come to mind...

Rio Grande is the only of those 3 that I can think of where his 'stach was actually dark.
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upandrunning
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 10:13 am
Hi fishin, elsewhere someone has asked a similar question and the answer is think of them pesky cows - I mean critturs!! HELP!!
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 10:37 am
Not much help without a pic...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 10:43 am
Here's an actual photo of Bat Masterson (standing) with Wyatt Earp.

http://sangres.com/cimages/notc/historyimages/WyattEarpBatMasterson.jpg

I did an image search for Bat Masterson as portrayed in motion pictures, and couldn't find a single one which showed him with a mustache.

I did find this, however:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/findagrave/photos/2002/288/4374_1034799011.jpg

That's the actor Zachary Scott (1914-1964), who was in fact a distant cousin of Bat Masterson. The context was ambiguous, and i don't know if they were implying that he had played Masterson in a motion picture, or were simply noting that he was related.

Can you link us to the quiz you are taking?
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roger
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 11:04 am
Actually, gunfighter might be something of a misnomer, too. He killed one person, and didn't go out of his way to do it. He probably got the reputation while a newspaper reporter. He used to buy new guns, and sell them as "Originally owned by Bat Masterson".
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upandrunning
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 11:05 am
Hi Setanta, the quiz I'm on is a postal quiz - QUIZMAIL - it is a monthly one with 150 questions - pictures.

The picture I have to answer looks very like Masterson, but if John Wayne didn't play him that is not the answer.

Thanks for everyone's help.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 12:09 pm
If I'm reading the Quizmail WWW site correctly what you have is a pic of a real-life western persona (name unknown to you) who's life (or parts of it) were played by Wayne in a movie.

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Based on the limited description, I suspect the pic is that of John Simpson Chisum who Wayne played in the movie "Chisum".

Chisum was "The Cattle King of New Mexico" which would match up with your "think of them pesky cows". You can do a Google image search on "John Chisum" and get several images of him - all sporting a dark 'stach, hair parted on the left, etc... Wink His name also appears in the title of the movie which was another Quizmail requirement/hint.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWchisum.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/billythekid/images/JohnChisum.jpg
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 12:48 pm
And just a bit of trivia and an idea of how I got to that answer:

John Wayne was in 167 movies during his career.

Of those 167 only 19 had a person's name in the title.

Of those 19, Wayne only played the role of the title character in 12 of them.

Once I reduced the number to 12 I was able to eliminate 4 because they weren't Westerns leaving me with 8 to play with.

Of those 8, only Chisum is based on a real-life character. The rest are all fictional.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 01:02 pm
Good research, fishin.

It is also interesting that Zachary Scott was related to Bat Masterson. The actor Christopher Lee is related to the author Ian Fleming. Val Kilmer is a grand-nephew of the American poet Joyce Kilmer. Daniel Day-Lewis is the son of British poet-laureate Cecil Day-Lewis.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 17 Apr, 2008 01:36 pm
I was reading "You Can't Win," the autobiography of Jack Black. Black was no cowboy, although he was twelve, when his hero, Jesse James, got shot. He rode the rails and spent quite a bit of time in hobo jungles and the like. He and a succession of partners cased places to burglarize, and some of the time, they robbed with a pistol. They went to hold up some card players one time, but Black's partner had set but one foot in the place, when he saw Bat Masterson at the table. He lead Black away, explaining that Masterson probably had a gun on his lap; Masterson was quick and he would kill you in an instant. The legend was already in place, long before Masterson died.
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upandrunning
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2008 02:33 am
Many thank edgarblythe, wandeljw, fishin and all who answered my query.
Sorry I haven't got back to you sooner, but I didn't get notice that you had replied.
Yes! It has to be Chisum. Many thanks for your time and your research fishing, it is greatly appreciated.
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CoriCori
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2008 11:18 am
fishin wrote:
And just a bit of trivia and an idea of how I got to that answer:

John Wayne was in 167 movies during his career.

Of those 167 only 19 had a person's name in the title.

Of those 19, Wayne only played the role of the title character in 12 of them.

Once I reduced the number to 12 I was able to eliminate 4 because they weren't Westerns leaving me with 8 to play with.

Of those 8, only Chisum is based on a real-life character. The rest are all fictional.


Wow! Thanks for the info!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 24 Apr, 2008 01:30 pm
wandeljw wrote:
Good research, fishin.

It is also interesting that Zachary Scott was related to Bat Masterson. The actor Christopher Lee is related to the author Ian Fleming. Val Kilmer is a grand-nephew of the American poet Joyce Kilmer. Daniel Day-Lewis is the son of British poet-laureate Cecil Day-Lewis.


And Kiefer Sutherland is the grandson of Tommy Douglas, the first leader of a socialist government in North America (Saskatchewan in 1944), who brought in the first socialized medical plan in North America ("Medicare" in Saskatchewan).
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