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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 02:40 pm
I was reading a story about Oprah and Obama and it made me wonder something...

Suppose some entity, with way too much money, started buying up land, offering homeowners more their homes are worth, etc, is there a law that would stop that?

Say Oprah decided to buy Chicago, building by building until she owned everything in the city, could that happen legally?

Or, suppose Bill Gates decides he wants Montana. Or, an Indian Casino wants to buy all the land in it's native area etc...

Just curious what legal ramifications there were for that.
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roger
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 04:30 pm
Too late. Ted Truner already owns Montana.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 04:31 pm
I don't know of any law that would prohibit someone from doing it and I can't see why there would be.
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jespah
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 04:34 am
It's a free marketplace. Unless someone can show a monopoly/trust issue (e. g. by buying up all of Pittsburgh, suddenly all steel production is in Andrew Carnegie's hot little hands), I think there'd be no impediment.
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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 04:44 am
Not so free, fortunately!

The antitrust Sherman act provides:

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Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony..


Complementary laws do exist..
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 07:03 am
Francis wrote:
Not so free, fortunately!

The antitrust Sherman act provides:

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Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony..


Complementary laws do exist..


How does someone owning all of the property within one state restrict trade or commerce among the several states?
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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 07:15 am
Let's stick to the original purpose of this thread.

Say, buying all the estate in Chicago.

The owner will have the monopoly of the the home rental, business premises rental. This is market restriction.

Now, looking ahead, guess if he doesn't want to rent anymore: nobody will be living in Chicago.

So no more companies doing maintenace, public transportation and so on.

State or federal authorities will stop that, for sure.

Even more, companies previously located in Chicago, will not be able to trade with other states or even foreign countries.

Implications are endless and will fall under the law...
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 07:59 am
Francis wrote:
Let's stick to the original purpose of this thread.

Say, buying all the estate in Chicago.

The owner will have the monopoly of the the home rental, business premises rental. This is market restriction.


You say "Let's stick to the original purpose of the thread" and then make assumptions about the original purpose that were never stated. The question, as worded, is strictly about ownership of land. There was no mention of running any business or commerce on that land. Your comments appear to be based on an assumption that the community purchased would continue to function as it does before the purchases. Are we sticking to the original purpose or letting imaginations run wild here?

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Now, looking ahead, guess if he doesn't want to rent anymore: nobody will be living in Chicago.

So no more companies doing maintenace, public transportation and so on.

State or federal authorities will stop that, for sure.


And what premise would the State and Federal goverments attempt to stop it? Keep in mind here that both the Federal and State governments own property within the current city of Chicago. If, as the question poses, they sold their land to me, what premise would they then have to prevent me from doing what I want to do with the land? If no one is living within the city then there wouldn't be any need for the roadways or public transportation. If there was a complaint about the ability to traverse the property (as there would be in the case of Chicago because of it's location) I could just as easily retain ownership of the land and grant a right-of-way to the government for them to build/maintain highways or railroads across the property.

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Even more, companies previously located in Chicago, will not be able to trade with other states or even foreign countries.


If you owned a business in Chicago and sold your land to me at a price that you were satisfied with, what would prevent you from reestablishing your business elsewhere? I'd now own the land and buildings. You would still maintain ownership of the actual business (i.e. you'd still own the company name, logos, patents, trademarks, etc...).

What would prevent you from buying a new facilty in St. Charles, IL (just outside of Chicago) to produce your product?

I doubt many courts would accept the fact that you willing sold your real estate at a price you agreed to as evidence that someone has inhibited you from operating that business.

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Implications are endless and will fall under the law...


Only if you make assumptions that fall outside of the original question.
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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 08:29 am
As always, rhetorical approaches can obviously change whatever hypothesis you might arise.

I do see what the implications can be, about the question in focus.

It's your right to think otherwise and you consequently asserted your own views.

But such situations have already been seen in a smaller scale than that envisioned here.

The companies or trusts involved were simply splitted up..
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 10:49 am
Doesn't Disney own some town in the Orlando area called Celebration - I went to a restaurant there for dinner just to see what the "perfect town" would be like.

It was kind of creepy actually.
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 11:39 am
Linkat wrote:
Doesn't Disney own some town in the Orlando area called Celebration - I went to a restaurant there for dinner just to see what the "perfect town" would be like.

It was kind of creepy actually.


Yes, They do!

But there are other examples too. Roger mentioned Ted Turner in Montana - he owns a ranch there that spans 920 square miles - larger than most towns. The Waggoner Ranch in Texas was the largest in the country (520,000 acres or 812.5 Square miles) until Turner bought his land. The City of Chicago (which has been bounced about in this thread) covers only 227.2 square miles in comparison.

At one point in time International Paper Corp owned upwards of 4,000,000 acres (6,200+ Square miles) of land in Maine which they used for lumber and paper products. That's roughly 20% of the state's entire landmass. They've since sold most of that off bit by bit.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 12:09 pm
Theoroigianl intention was 2-fold. One, I just figured it would be crazy and there might be a law against a wealthy individual/company buying up large tracts of real-estate and secondly, the Oneida indians have a land claim in my area. The opened a casino not too long ago that has become obscenly profitable for them. What's to stop them from just buying their ancestral land and kicking people the hell out?

Providing land owners sell of course.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 12:23 pm
fishin wrote:
Linkat wrote:
Doesn't Disney own some town in the Orlando area called Celebration - I went to a restaurant there for dinner just to see what the "perfect town" would be like.

It was kind of creepy actually.


Yes, They do!

But there are other examples too. Roger mentioned Ted Turner in Montana - he owns a ranch there that spans 920 square miles - larger than most towns. The Waggoner Ranch in Texas was the largest in the country (520,000 acres or 812.5 Square miles) until Turner bought his land. The City of Chicago (which has been bounced about in this thread) covers only 227.2 square miles in comparison.

At one point in time International Paper Corp owned upwards of 4,000,000 acres (6,200+ Square miles) of land in Maine which they used for lumber and paper products. That's roughly 20% of the state's entire landmass. They've since sold most of that off bit by bit.


Yeah these are examples of large properties, but are they actually towns? Is Celebration actually a town or is it simply a neighborhood that Disney calls a town? I know that they have all their own facilities like electricity, police, fire, but are they actually a town? Just curious.
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 12:38 pm
Linkat wrote:


It was kind of creepy actually.


Have you been to Texas?
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 12:45 pm
Linkat wrote:
fishin wrote:
Linkat wrote:
Doesn't Disney own some town in the Orlando area called Celebration - I went to a restaurant there for dinner just to see what the "perfect town" would be like.

It was kind of creepy actually.


Yes, They do!

But there are other examples too. Roger mentioned Ted Turner in Montana - he owns a ranch there that spans 920 square miles - larger than most towns. The Waggoner Ranch in Texas was the largest in the country (520,000 acres or 812.5 Square miles) until Turner bought his land. The City of Chicago (which has been bounced about in this thread) covers only 227.2 square miles in comparison.

At one point in time International Paper Corp owned upwards of 4,000,000 acres (6,200+ Square miles) of land in Maine which they used for lumber and paper products. That's roughly 20% of the state's entire landmass. They've since sold most of that off bit by bit.


Yeah these are examples of large properties, but are they actually towns? Is Celebration actually a town or is it simply a neighborhood that Disney calls a town? I know that they have all their own facilities like electricity, police, fire, but are they actually a town? Just curious.


Everything "offical" put out by Celebration and Disney lists it as a "town" but according to Wikipedia it is an "unincorporated master-planned community" aka: a Homeowners Association.

I don't know how Florida handles all of that though. In some places to be a "town" means that there is an actual legal incorporation or State issued charter that defines the legal entity. In other states there is no legal definition for what a town is or isn't (technically, there are no "towns" in Michigan but people still call them that.)
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 12:51 pm
Miller wrote:
Linkat wrote:


It was kind of creepy actually.


Have you been to Texas?


Yes - I am moving there actually.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 12:52 pm
And here and there you hear of some celebrity "owning" a town. Didn't Kim Bassinger buy a town once?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 12:59 pm
Linkat wrote:
And here and there you hear of some celebrity "owning" a town. Didn't Kim Bassinger buy a town once?


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With perhaps too much disposable income, Kim headed up an investment group that purchased the entire town of Braselton, in her native Georgia, for $20 million
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 01:00 pm
Linkat wrote:
And here and there you hear of some celebrity "owning" a town. Didn't Kim Bassinger buy a town once?


Heh, she did! Shows how much I follow celebrity gossip...

According to Infoplease.com:

"In 1989, she bought the town of Braselton Georgia, only to sell off most of the town after declaring bankruptcy in 1993."
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Fri 11 Apr, 2008 03:03 pm
A number of little mining villages used to be company owned.

Aren't the Arabs buying Manhattan, building by building?
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