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Public vs. Private

 
 
fishin
 
Reply Fri 4 Apr, 2008 01:11 pm
Several posts in recent days have mentioned or touched on the concept of "public" vs. "private" with regard to varying issues. For example:

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3179431#3179431
http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3177951#3177951
http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3179359#3179359

Is there a "bright-line" that can be drawn to distingish when something is "private" and government should be kept out? Or, on the other side, when does something reach "public" status for you?

What about things that are often considered "private" but that you are forced to disclose (like your income being disclosed to the government for the purpose of taxes...) but expect the other oarty to keep the info confidential? Does that fall into a 3rd category (which I'll call "personal" for now) where the information requires some form of limited disclosure?

Where do you see the dividing lines between these? Do you have a common standard that you apply to all situations or does it vary (a little? a lot?) based on the issue?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2008 03:01 am
A bright line? Hell, there isn't even a faded dotted line between what's supposedly private/personal and what is public.

And we have done it to ourselves.

We have allowed the purveyors of commerce on the internet to follow us around now for years. They know every page you have ever been to, what you looked at and for how long and how many times you have returned out of either interest or obsession.

"How come these Weight Control Ads keep showing up, even when I am looking at beach rentals?"

A few days ago a friend from Texas sent me a picture from Goggle Maps of the street view of my building.

The NYTimes just reminded this morning of that cartoon from ten years ago where the dog is typing on the computer and saying to another "On the Internet no one knows you are a dog." No more, Fido. We even know what kind of kibble gives you gas.

And please ask any budding artist today how he intends to protect his musical creations from theft, you'll get a shrug because this society has decided that the idea of ownership rights disappeared with the idea that you had any kind of private life.

There's more, but I have to go now.

Joe(we haven't a clue yet as to what we have done.)Nation
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fishin
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2008 06:53 am
Joe Nation wrote:
A bright line? Hell, there isn't even a faded dotted line between what's supposedly private/personal and what is public.


lol Well... ok. I agree. But what I meant was for yourself - what about you personally? What is "private" vs. what is "public" for YOU? For example, is the amount of your annual personal income "private"? What about the amount you may have paid for your home? Or you annual tax liability?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2008 04:56 pm
I wouldn't share any of those financials voluntarily, but interestingly enough, I get to see all that and more concerning anyone who is either a prospective purchaser/shareholder or lessee in our building in my capacity as president of the co-op board. We also do a fairly informal face to face interview with the applicants. "What do you like to do for fun?" "Do you have any hobbies?" Who's your favorite band?" (those are mostly about noise prevention.)

I am still a little embarrassed at how much we ask people to expose to us..
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1Samuel8
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2008 06:47 am
Physical property versus Information
This discussion is focussed on information as opposed to physical property. The identification of rightful ownership of information is different from that of physical property.



fishin wrote:
Is there a "bright-line" that can be drawn to distingish when something is "private" and government should be kept out?
Should? The government "should' be kept out of everything unless you authorize it to meddle in your affairs.


Joe Nation wrote:
And please ask any budding artist today how he intends to protect his musical creations from theft,
Easy: by keeping his creations to himself.
I certainly do not think that any artist has a right to force all tax-payers to support his legal claims of "theft" in a court of law.

Joe Nation wrote:
you'll get a shrug because this society has decided that the idea of ownership rights disappeared with the idea that you had any kind of private life.
I believe a better description would be that "society" -- whoever that is -- has stopped trying to protect things which physically can not be protected.



fishin wrote:
But what I meant was for yourself - what about you personally? What is "private" vs. what is "public" for YOU?
The question is technically invalid.
Information is "public" if other people know it. Similarly, information is "private" if you do not share it.



Joe Nation wrote:
I am still a little embarrassed at how much we ask people to expose to us..
I presume it is safe to say that you are not forcing people to disclose information.
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