Deep thinkers only

no, only we don't exist

It kind of sounds like you are talking about the hermetic principle of mentalism. In that sense, I follow what you are saying for the sake of musing.

In my world, the absence of those elements that you mention would only cause an absence of those elements. In my world, consciousness is not prerequisite to reality. Though, in my world we are all ponies and we eat rainbows and poop butterflies.

Redux of "If a tree falls in the forest..." question.

No.
B4 humans existed, other forms of life did.

In places where there r no humans now, other forms of life exist.

There r no humans on Mars; it exists.

Your q is a variation on: " if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it... "

Well, I guess zippo didn't ask for original thinkers, huh David?

I answered b4 I saw your post.

Thanks guys. I will not direct my answers to anyone in perticular, as it just makes things more complicated. I'll average out the view and try to refute those questions. I'll pick a few quotes:

Anology in my OP = My (non existent) world; Life = all living things not just humans.


In my world. A forest does not exist. It is there because of man. His thought, sense, vision...all create a 'forest' in his mind. Remember, humans do not exist. Further more the forest maybe there solely for the benefit of life. IF we remove all life form. What reason is there for the forest to exist?



Mars exists because of human discovery, thought, vision...etc
In my world it doesnt exist. Lets pick another planet for example (as we're not quite aware of how it helps life in general) 'Jupiter'.
Jupiter's magnetic field acts as a shield. The field protects the planet from the solar wind, a continuous flow of charged particles from the sun. Hence protector of life on Earth. Jupiter may not have a purpose to exist, if life on Earth did not exist. ( In my world it doesnt)


...Says a 'human' capable of thought.


Inside your mind ...yes.

I will have to rewrite my thought. Can you change "understanding of time and all life form" into absouletely ALL life form. I should not have said that. Because there is no proof that other life form are not capable of understanding/thought.

Additionally, a quick list of items that are needed for life to exist:
1) Sun, Moon, Jupiter... and actually Space itself. As without Space our Planet cannot exist.

2)Basically everything on earth: Rain, plants, trees, fruits, oxygon, earthly materials, more then one human, bacteria (certain bacteria helps humans)....etc Too much to list.

Why would they need to exist without life?

" Is all that we see and SEEM,
but a dream, within a dream ? " ( Poe )

after seeing your responses zippo i realised that the question might be worded better to make it more accessible

here goes


if nothing existed, would anything exist

discuss

No.

Nope. I will try to rewrite it. Sorry about the confusion. I don't like extreme simplifications. But here goes

If life did not exist; would anything exist? Would there be a need a purpose for anything to exist.

Because everything that does exist (excluding life) has a connection/relation to life. Another simple anology:

Would there be a natural need for fruits; if there was nobody to eat them?

Re: Deep thinkers only


If there is no life in the world at all,I think the world as a whole won't exist from the beginning.

it is unnecessary for a world to exist without being percepted and conscioused

Re: Deep thinkers only


Welcome to AK2.

Thanks! we can both agree on that (at least one person agrees ). What do you think about the whole universe. Would there be a need for an existance of universe. When there is nobody around to appreciate, observe or understand it ?

Well, what if there was only one thinking brain in the entire universe? Therefore, according to the premise, even one brain functioning makes the entire universe exist, including even parts of the universe that can only be surmised by this one brain.

Now, take that one brain away. Everything still exists. And, for no purpose, until chemicals mix, lightening strikes, and another brain evolves in a few eons.

Or, for those that are into God, until God decides to make another brain to take the place of the first brain.

It was all summed up by that great Mad magazine character, Alfred E. Neuman [sic] who said, "What me worry?"

Perhaps we are the universe looking at itself.

....
if we, humans haven't developed as such strong as today, some creatures will dominate the world instead of humans ,and we'll just like other animals now for the dominaters to eat....
and I believe there'r some other high IQ creaturers exist somewhere in the universe..

Something that exists somewhere will still exist unless something allows it to cease to exist.
Something will still exist even if it is unkown to the human eye.
Meaning: A tree falling in a forest still exists even if no one hears or sees the tree fall.

fools! just because there isnt a need or reason for something to exist doesnt mean it ceases to exist! so even if there is no life left in the universe, that doesnt mean everything else will disappear with it.

that said, the point that "A tree falling in a forest still exists even if no one hears or sees the tree fall." is trying to make, is that even if something is not perceived, it still exists. this is equally and oppositely foolish and flawed.

does the world exist if there is no conciousness to perceive it? no one knows. maybe the entire world is your dream and when you die the dream ends. or maybe the entire world existed before life and will continue to exist after it. no one knows, case closed. so stop arguing. fools.

symbols are representations of what is already there.

forest? describing trees grouped together?

symbols come after what already exists, we just named it.




its all math folks, nothing but numbers.

boring huh?

haha.