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Black Theology?

 
 
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 11:05 pm
Regarding your question on Black Liberation Theology:

If he says "no," what will that prove to you?

If he says "yes," what will that prove to you?
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 11:11 pm
Butrflynet,

I don't need anything 'proved' to me.

It's called discussion.

I ask someone what they think and I tell them what I think.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 11:47 pm
That's some discussion technique you've got going there, Real Life.

real life repeatedly wrote:

Answer me, Snood!

SNOOD, ANSWER ME!!

WHY HAVEN'T YOU ANSWERED ME, SNOOD?!?!

WHY HAVEN'T YOU ANSWERED ME, SNOOD?!?!

WHY HAVEN'T YOU ANSWERED ME, SNOOD?!?!

What's a matter with you, Snood, you skeerd to answer me? Is it because they are Black?



You might have better results at having a two-way discussion if you dropped the repetitive interrogation method and lost some of the confrontational attitude.
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real life
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 06:57 am
Cute caricature. But hardly accurate, Butrflynet.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 07:00 am
real life wrote:
Cute caricature. But hardly accurate, Butrflynet.
not all that inaccurate. perhaps some self awareness would help.
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real life
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 01:08 pm
hi dyslexia,

Good to hear from you.

What I find funny is that I have brought out quotes from an influential black leader (how influential? well, Obama's church's website cites him as foundational to the church's vision) calling upon blacks to 'destroy the white enemy ' by whatever means needed.

However, Butrflynet thinks MY 'confrontational attitude' is the problem. Laughing

I really hope Butrflynet never goes away. The world needs to constantly be reminded by just a few examples of how the liberal mind works.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 01:19 pm
And I can find and post quotes from influential white leaders calling on whites to destroy the black enemy. Your "understanding" of how the liberal mind works indicates, at least to me, that you have zero understanding of how anyone's mind works. But then, perhaps, you are a neurologist who has vastly greater knowledge of "mind" than us mere plebians. I assume it's lonely being a patrician in america, I wouldn't know.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 02:17 pm
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 02:34 pm
All races want to maintain/create God in their own image and to their own will so they can declare Divine right and impose their will and war on other peoples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Right_of_Kings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people

That they claim that God has chosen them, or is of their race or religion is for their own will and selfishness and exactly how we know by our God given reasoning that they are not chosen but that each individual person outside of Race, religion and Nationality cannot escape our freedom of choice between our will or gods will, right and wrong.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 03:37 pm
real life wrote:

What I find funny is that I have brought out quotes from an influential black leader (how influential? well, Obama's church's website cites him as foundational to the church's vision) calling upon blacks to 'destroy the white enemy ' by whatever means needed.

However, Butrflynet thinks MY 'confrontational attitude' is the problem.





You created an opportunity for some discussion about it. Snood threw out a tidbit to test your sincerity in wanting to hear his point of view and you immediately pounced on it with ridicule and shut down further discussion. You didn't like hearing his point of view or his questions and have been badgering him to give the answers you want to hear ever since.

Snood doesn't live in that state, doesn't attend that church, is not a member of that church. For all you know, he might even agree with you a little. You shut down discussion as soon as he started talking about it and before you could find out.
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real life
 
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Reply Sun 23 Mar, 2008 08:31 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
real life wrote:

What I find funny is that I have brought out quotes from an influential black leader (how influential? well, Obama's church's website cites him as foundational to the church's vision) calling upon blacks to 'destroy the white enemy ' by whatever means needed.

However, Butrflynet thinks MY 'confrontational attitude' is the problem.





You created an opportunity for some discussion about it. Snood threw out a tidbit to test your sincerity in wanting to hear his point of view and you immediately pounced on it with ridicule and shut down further discussion. You didn't like hearing his point of view or his questions and have been badgering him to give the answers you want to hear ever since.

Snood doesn't live in that state, doesn't attend that church, is not a member of that church. For all you know, he might even agree with you a little. You shut down discussion as soon as he started talking about it and before you could find out.


Your view, or snood's view, of my 'sincerity' is of no interest to me.

I say what I mean. That's sincerity, whether you understand the meaning of it or not.

I do not care where snood lives, nor if he has ever attended Wright's church.

One need not live in Chicago nor have ever attended TUCC to recognize racist comments for what they are.

Snood's support of Obama seems to have hindered him from acknowledging that Obama has attended a racist church for the past 20 years. He has submitted himself and his children to some of the worst racial demagoguery that I can recall in recent times coming from any church pulpit.

If the situation were that this were a white man attending a predominantly white church and the pastor preached a 'White Values System' and based the church's vision statement on a book about 'White Theology and White Power' , and followed a theologian that spoke of the need to 'destroy the black enemy' and 'reject any God that doesn't support the white cause' and 'reject the idea that God is the God of all peoples'................

..............I have little doubt that snood would recognize such to be a racist church and racist pastor and would have little hesitancy about saying so.

Snood's political partisanship has got his tongue.

To accuse me of a 'confrontational attitude' for pointing out the racially inflammatory comments of James Cone who urges blacks to 'destroy the white enemy ' is laughable.

But please , keep attacking my 'discussion technique'.

It simply indicates you have nothing of substance to say.

Liberals typically focus on style over substance, and your strategy here is of no surprise.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 09:21 pm
What would satisfy you at this point, "real life" - is there anything Obama could do so that you would say - "okay, he's done his penance, guess we can move on"?

there really isn't, is there?
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 09:23 am
Well, the issue isn't just Wright, and his 'retirement' won't fix it.

Publicly leaving Trinity church and renouncing the 'Black Theology' of men like Jeremiah Wright and James Cone (whose work is foundational to TUCC's vision statement) would be a start.

But it would take more than a simple press release.

I think a series of speeches , detailing why he REALLY believes the confrontational and racist theology of these men to be wrong would be vital.

Does he believe that the 'white enemy' should be 'destroyed' using 'any available means'? Cone does.

Does he believe that 9/11 was a 'wake up call to white America' that they can't ignore blacks any longer? Wright does.

Instead, unfortunately, yesterday Obama falsely spoke of Wright 'acknowledging' that his statements were 'inappropriate' and 'offensive', when we've seen no such statement from Wright.

I'm all for Obama making a complete and clean break from the racism these men push.

I really hope he does, but a 20 year history of embracing it suggests it's not likely.

But I believe it's possible. It would take political courage. Does he have it?
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 07:04 pm
real life, in attempting to caricature Black Liberation Theology, and the writings of James Hal Cone by partially quoting a Wikipedia entry wrote:

Quote:
The black theologian must reject any conception of God which stifles black self-determination by picturing God as a God of all peoples.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hal_Cone

Quote:
Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hal_Cone

In the first quote real life left out the rest of the quote that qualifies what Cone is attempting to say.

Quote:
Either God is identified with the oppressed to the point that their experience becomes God's experience, or God is a God of racism...The blackness of God means that God has made the oppressed condition God's own condition. This is the essence of the Biblical revelation. By electing Israelite slaves as the people of God and by becoming the Oppressed One in Jesus Christ, the human race is made to understand that God is known where human beings experience humiliation and suffering...Liberation is not an afterthought, but the very essence of divine activity. (A Black Theology of Liberation, pp. 63-64)


In the second, the Wikipedia writer explicitly states that the quote that real life quotes from is not taken directly from what Cone has written, but is a hodge podge of spliced quotes from various writings of Cone,

Quote:
An online columnist, writing under the pseudonym Spengler, attacked Cone's theology as "ethnocentric heresy" on Mar. 18, 2008,[7] presenting the following putative quotation, which is only partially verifiable from Cone's own writings,[8] but which has subsequently been widely circulated on the internet:[9]


whatsmore, in the notes the writer wrote,
Quote:
Spengler cites William R Jones, "Divine Racism: The Unacknowledged Threshold Issue for Black Theology", in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, ed. Cornel West and Eddie Glaube (Westminster John Knox Press) as his source, but he seems to have compiled disparate quotations into a single block, and not all the text is verifiable from Cone's own writing
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 07:08 pm
A pretty good interview of James Hal Cone is found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1X5sZ6Q4Fw
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