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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2008 03:06 pm
According to exit polls and after counting one third of the votes, the ruling Socialists win in Spain, even an absolute majority is (still) possible.

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The polls on three Spanish television stations gave Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's Socialist Party between 163 and 176 seats in the 350-member parliament against 145 and 152 for the conservative opposition Popular Party (PP) of Mariano Rajoy.

Partial official results confirmed the exit poll trend. With 33.09 percent of votes counted, the Socialist Party was predicted to secure 170 seats and the PP 150, the interior ministry said on its website.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2008 05:18 pm
I still thin Zapatero looks like Mr Bean

Senor Bean
http://www.withfriendship.com/user/images/212/mr-bean.jpg
Senor Zapatero
http://webalia.com/imgs/zapatero.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 12:53 am
http://i26.tinypic.com/nnl8wh.jpg
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 01:24 pm
You discovered tepid water, Hingehead, as they say is Spain. Very Happy

Zapatero is almost a clone of Mr. Bean. A known fact all over the Spanish speaking world.

(Will be back for comments, 'cause this election has meant some changes that are not so easy to see on a first glance)
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 03:57 pm
I spent six weeks in Spain in 2006. Which is when I first noticed the resemblance. I'm glad the socialists are kind of back in. I thought the way the country handled the influx of african illegal immigrants was compassionate, especially compared to my own country's reaction to much much much smaller numbers of 'boat people'.

Spanish voters seem to hold principle quite highly. To increase the party's number of seats in the face the housing affordability crisis and rampant corruption at the local government level (two issues that I'm aware of - Spain isn't a major source of news in Australia. More's the pity) is an affirmation of kicking out Aznar's PP.

Even the 'remembering' of the Franco years has turned people off.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 05:05 pm
What's the big news about this election, IMHO?

1. The bipartisan tsunami.

Both major parties gathered more votes than 4 years ago.
The tsunami whipped specially the Nationalist (actually Localist) parties. Only CiU, the centrist Catalonian party, and BNG, the left-wing Galician party managed to keep their repressentatives, even with lower voting. PNV, the centrist Basque party lost one fourth of its votes, ERC, the left-wing Catalonian party lost two thirds (and went from 8 to 3 members of Parliament), the Canarian party lost half its votes, the left wing legal Basques lost half their votes and their seat; same with the party from Aragon.

2. UPyD

As part of the Anti-Localist sentiment, the party "Union, Progress and Democracy", a split from ruling PSOE, won a seat.
The party's message is simple: We are Spanish socialists, but are fed up with the so-called Nationalist parties "blackmail" PSOE accepts and are against the electoral law (which favors big national parties and small local ones, and punishes small national parties). Famous philosopher Fernando Savater openly supports this group.

3. The Red-Green collapse

For the third time in a row, IU (United Left) loses votes and seats. From 11% and 21 seats in 1996, the remnants of the old Communist Party and their Green allies are left with 3% and 2 measly seats. This means that the only survivor of old Eurocommunism is Italy's Democratic Party.
This also means that Zapatero's call for a vote "from the left" did work for him.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 05:32 pm
These are the changes of seats vis a vis 2004:

Andalucia: PSOE (-2); PP (+1)
Valencia: PP (+1) IU (-1)
Basque Country: PSOE (+2), PP (-1), PNV (-1), EA (-1)
Catalonia: PSOE (+5), ERC (-5), PP (+1), IU (-1)
Castille-La Mancha: PP (+1) PSOE (+1)
Galicia: PP (-1)
Canary Islands: PSOE (+1), CC (-1)
Aragón: PSOE (+1), CA (-1)
Castille-León: PP (-1)
Madrid: PP (+1), PSOE (-1), UPyD (+1), IU (-1)
Murcia: PP (+1)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 11:52 pm
The Independent's leading article:

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A victory for moderation

Tuesday, 11 March 2008


For once the opinion polls got it right. Despite a bout of last-minute nerves, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero and his Socialist party have gained a second term with a slightly increased representation in the Spanish parliament, although still just short of an absolute majority. That must be good for Spain. Although the government of Mr Zapatero has pushed bravely on with policies of social concern and secular liberalism, most notably on gay marriage, there was always the charge that they had somehow gained power by accident because of the peculiar circumstances of the 2004 Madrid bombings in which the last election had been held. If the government was to proceed with its policies then it needed the authority of a popular mandate.


It was a bitter and often nasty campaign in which the right of the Popular Party exploited every issue, from immigration to marriage, to attack the prime minister. It failed to get its man. In two other ways, as well, Spain's election is of clear benefit to the country. One is in its dealings with Europe. Although Mr Zapatero was quick to fulfil his promise of withdrawal of Spanish troops from Iraq, on more general foreign policy, and particularly in his dealings with Europe, he has had been notably less forthcoming. With a clear mandate and four years in office, Spain can now play a more active role in the EU at a time when French, German and British leadership are all faltering on the issue. At the same time, the election marked a clear and possibly decisive vote in favour of the moderate nationalist parties at the expense of the extremes. Against all the fears of those who were predicting an imminent break-up of the country, voters in the Basque country and Catalonia voted for parties committed to working within the system - a lesson for other European countries, including Britain. At this stage Mr Zapatero is unlikely to seek a coalition with any of the smaller parties, preferring to seek support on an ad hoc basis. But he is likely to work with the mainstream nationalists, meaning moderation will be rewarded. Yet there is need for caution in applauding Zapatero's victory.

The result still leaves Spain a sharply divided country. If the Socialists gained five seats, so did the Popular Party. Both improved their share of the vote. Immigration remains a fraught issue. The bishops may be down but they are still far from out and the Madrid government is facing an economic downturn.

Mr Zapatero spoke yesterday of inaugurating a new era in Spanish politics and seeking national unity after the divisiveness of the campaign. These are fine intentions, but, with a recession in the offing and a fiercely divided electorate, fulfilling them may not prove such a straightforward task.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 11:52 pm
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The Guardian:
Zapatero seeks alliances to wield power after divisive Spanish poll

Paul Hamilos in Madrid
Tuesday March 11 2008

The Spanish prime minister, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, vowed to tackle the economy and social reform yesterday as he sought the backing of regional parties to form a government.

The prime minister's Socialist party fell seven seats short of the absolute majority of 176 in the lower house of parliament in Sunday's election and must try to form alliances with one or more of the smaller parties. The conservative opposition Popular party, headed by Mariano Rajoy, won 153 seats.

At his first press conference after a divisive election, Zapatero said: "This legislature must have as its principal aims new drives in the economy, employment and social policies, and the method will be dialogue and social agreements."

Rather than being a permanent alliance, the new government is likely to consist of adhoc alliances on individual policies. Zapatero did not rule out a pact with the moderate Catalan nationalist party, Convergencia i Unio, which won 11 seats - enough to take the government past the magic number of 176. The Basque Nationalists, with six seats, have also offered support.

Charles Powell, a history professor at San Pablo-CEU University in Madrid, said that 169 seats was "a very comfortable victory. With a 75% turnout and a 43% slice of the vote, the government can rightly argue that it has a strong mandate".

The murder last Friday of Isaias Carrasco, a former socialist town councillor, was blamed on Basque separatists Eta, and served as a bloody reminder that their 40-year-long violent campaign continues. Zapatero was criticised over the failure of peace talks with Eta in his first term, and it is unclear whether he will return to the negotiating table.

But the most important problem facing Zapatero is the downturn in Spain's economy. After a decade of spectacular growth, unemployment is rising, inflation is twice the EU average, and a crisis has hit the vital construction industry.

The government says its record budget surplus will allow it to fund a public works programme and stimulate growth. But many analysts say this is a sticking-plaster approach, and investment in research, development and education is vital.

Zapatero has pledged to push on with the liberal social policies that earned him a reputation as a "secular reformer" in his first term, during which he clashed with the Catholic church's hierarchy over several policies. With the rightwing Antonio María Rouco Varela recently reappointed as president of the Spanish bishops' council, many fear these clashes will continue.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Wed 12 Mar, 2008 06:04 pm
A Spanish friend says the biggest news in this election is that PSOE gathered more votes than PNV in the Basque country.
He says it's a sign that Basques are beginning to get fed up with their Nationalist politicians.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 12 Mar, 2008 07:17 pm
(thanks all)
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 12 Mar, 2008 08:36 pm
fbaezer wrote:
A Spanish friend says the biggest news in this election is that PSOE gathered more votes than PNV in the Basque country.
He says it's a sign that Basques are beginning to get fed up with their Nationalist politicians.


Hi F, is your friend Basque or Galician*? I only ask because I'm wondering if the native attitudes are changing or whether internal migration is changing the demographic make up of those states.

* or Catalonian?
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 12:41 pm
hingehead wrote:
fbaezer wrote:
A Spanish friend says the biggest news in this election is that PSOE gathered more votes than PNV in the Basque country.
He says it's a sign that Basques are beginning to get fed up with their Nationalist politicians.


Hi F, is your friend Basque or Galician*? I only ask because I'm wondering if the native attitudes are changing or whether internal migration is changing the demographic make up of those states.

* or Catalonian?



He's Andalusian. Laughing
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 12:45 pm
fbaezer wrote:
He's Andalusian. Laughing


But he is not a dog, is he? Twisted Evil
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 01:04 pm
Francis wrote:
fbaezer wrote:
He's Andalusian. Laughing


But he is not a dog, is he? Twisted Evil


Actually that's what his Basque neighbor used to call him.
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 01:07 pm
I like Basques but tengo un amor en La Habana y el otro en Andalucia...
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2008 04:43 pm
If I can't Havana in Cuba I'd like to siesta in spain?
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2008 01:58 pm
You can siesta and many others in Spain, Hinge..
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