Port Arthur

Lotta hunting goes on up here. Local sporting shooters abound, most of the farm utes parked in the main drag have a rifle in them.
Hunting forms a big part of tourism revenue for the town. Ferral Deer and pigs mostly.

If conspiracy theories did not exist, people would be obliged to invent them.

Oh . . . wait . . . that's what they do anyway, huh?

dadpad wrote:

Lotta hunting goes on up here. Local sporting shooters abound, most of the farm utes parked in the main drag have a rifle in them.
Hunting forms a big part of tourism revenue for the town. Ferral Deer and pigs mostly.

"Feral" deer? My understanding of feral is something which was once domesticated and then became wild. Do you mean to say that there was once a population of deer which were kept domestically, and that some escaped and have established themselves in "the wild?"

Well, that's pretty damned goofy. I can't see keeping deer as domestic animals. If you want the meat, you're better advised to keep cattle or swine. People are so damned silly.

....One of the big national parks just south of Sydney has a major deer problem - they come down on the beaches ....quote]

Sounds rather nice to me. :wink:

Setanta wrote:

Well, that's pretty damned goofy. I can't see keeping deer as domestic animals. If you want the meat, you're better advised to keep cattle or swine. People are so damned silly.

Well - deer are not native here - i.e., we don't have any of our own.

So - any that are here must have been imported for their meat, and now they've got loose. One of the big national parks just south of Sydney has a major deer problem - they come down on the beaches, and cause traffic problems. No natural predators, you know! We're not a nation of Hunters, particularly. No guns, see!

And how come there are still so many guns floating around in QLD?

The gun death rate has halved in the intervening time. Gun nuts hate it because it's a solid verifiable fact that can't be denied no matter how much they rant.

Wilso wrote:

The gun death rate has halved in the intervening time. Gun nuts hate it because it's a solid verifiable fact that can't be denied no matter how much they rant.

absolute rubbish !!

Results: In the 18 years before the gun law reforms, there were 13 mass shootings in Australia, and none in the 10.5 years afterwards. Declines in firearm-related deaths before the law reforms accelerated after the reforms for total firearm deaths (p = 0.04), firearm suicides (p = 0.007) and firearm homicides (p = 0.15), but not for the smallest category of unintentional firearm deaths, which increased. No evidence of substitution effect for suicides or homicides was observed. The rates per 100 000 of total firearm deaths, firearm homicides and firearm suicides all at least doubled their existing rates of decline after the revised gun laws.

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Results: In the 18 years before the gun law reforms, there were 13 mass shootings in Australia, and none in the 10.5 years afterwards. Declines in firearm-related deaths before the law reforms accelerated after the reforms for total firearm deaths (p = 0.04), firearm suicides (p = 0.007) and firearm homicides (p = 0.15), but not for the smallest category of unintentional firearm deaths, which increased. No evidence of substitution effect for suicides or homicides was observed. The rates per 100 000 of total firearm deaths, firearm homicides and firearm suicides all at least doubled their existing rates of decline after the revised gun laws.

The Whole Report



Steady Wilso! He's just a li'l old marsupial. You know the problem they have with brain size.... :wink:

And thisun's got himself all turned around like.

ooragnak wrote:

Wilso wrote:

The gun death rate has halved in the intervening time. Gun nuts hate it because it's a solid verifiable fact that can't be denied no matter how much they rant.

absolute rubbish !!

What fantastic evidence. Are you actually going to do anything but rant? Maybe you need a gun in your hand to replace your lack of a decent penis?

lezzles wrote:

And how come there are still so many guns floating around in QLD?

And just where are these guns " floating " around ?

Lotta hunting goes on up here. Local sporting shooters abound, most of the farm utes parked in the main drag have a rifle in them.
Hunting forms a big part of tourism revenue for the town. Ferral Deer and pigs mostly.

The rumor is not on my radar.

Gun ownership is rising and there is no definitive evidence that a decade of restrictive firearms laws has done anything to reduce weapon-related crime, according to NSW's top criminal statistician.

The latest figures show a renaissance in firearm ownership in the state - a 25 per cent increase in three years. And the head of the Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, Don Weatherburn, said falls in armed robberies and abductions in NSW in the past few years had more to do with the heroin drought and good policing than firearms legislation.

Even falls in the homicide rate, which have been steady, began long before the gun law debate provoked by the Port Arthur massacre in 1996.

Nationwide, the proportion of robberies involving weapons is the same as it was in 1996, while the proportion of abductions involving weapons is higher, the latest Australian Bureau of Statistics fiures reveal. They show a mixed result in firearms-related offences since the mid-1990s. There has been a fall in firearms murders (from 32 to 13 per cent) but a rise (19 to 23 per cent) in attempted murders involving guns.

"I would need to see more convincing evidence than there is to be able to say that gun laws have had any effect," Dr Weatherburn said. "The best that could be said for the tougher laws is there has been no other mass killing using firearms [since Port Arthur].

"There has been a drop in firearm-related crime, particularly in homicide, but it began long before the new laws and has continued on afterwards. I don't think anyone really understands why. A lot of people assume that the tougher laws did it, but I would need more specific, convincing evidence …

"There has been a more specific … problem with handguns, which rose up quite rapidly and then declined. The decline appears to have more to do with the arrest of those responsible than the new laws. As soon as the heroin shortage hit, the armed robbery rate came down. I don't think it was anything to do with the tougher firearm laws."

The Shooters Party MP John Tingle agrees with this analysis but has decided to retire from politics next April because he is frustrated in his attempts to prevent further restrictions, even though the number of registered guns in NSW has jumped from 516,468 to 648,369 since 2002.

"If the laws had worked there would be much less illegal gun crime … we are continuing this perception that if you tighten firearm laws you are going to control firearm crime, even though the opposite is true. Restrictive laws against legitimate ownership and use do nothing to stop gun-related crime because only law-abiding citizens will adhere to laws."

The Police Commissioner, Ken Moroney, supports the laws irrespective of the statistics. "I don't think the laws have been designed to eliminate every firearm off the face of the Earth … but it has achieved proper registration, storage and more effective licensing. These measures have all been successful and John Tingle's role should be acknowledged … he is a man of objectivity and fairness. He hasn't been an advocate for advocacy sake."

ooragnak wrote:

lezzles wrote:

And how come there are still so many guns floating around in QLD?

And just where are these guns " floating " around ?

dadpad wrote:

Lotta hunting goes on up here. Local sporting shooters abound, most of the farm utes parked in the main drag have a rifle in them.
Hunting forms a big part of tourism revenue for the town. Ferral Deer and pigs mostly.

The rumor is not on my radar.

If you'd read the thread right through you may have seen this post. My comment was just querying what appeared to be non-compliance with the current gun laws.