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OUTRAGE OVER WHALING ... #2 <cont>

 
 
Stradee
 
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Reply Sat 14 Nov, 2009 07:17 pm
@msolga,
Shocked

Very Happy
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 1 Dec, 2009 07:26 am
Strange little story from my paper today.:

Wail for whales: stealth boat to blast Japanese
ANDREW DARBY
December 1, 2009

http://images.theage.com.au/2009/12/01/934958/AndyGil-420x0.jpg
Pete Bethune, skipper of the Ady Gil. Photo: Peter Mathew

JAPANESE whalers have seen a lot from opponents in the Antarctic: rotten butter in bottles, smoke bombs, propeller entanglements, even the odd bare bottom.

But they haven't seen anything like the Ady Gil. Nor heard anything like a hair-raising Maori haka this outrageous black speedboat plans to blow in their direction when it finds them.


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Looking more like Batman's spacecraft than a boat, the biodiesel-powered trimaran arrived in Hobart yesterday on its way to the Southern Ocean, with its eponymous Californian businessman owner on board.

http://images.theage.com.au/2009/12/01/934957/AndyGil2-200x0.jpg
The Ady Gil docked in Hobart. Photo: Peter Mathew

A Hollywood production-house owner, Mr Gil bought the former globe-girdling record-setter Earthrace for seven figures from its New Zealand skipper Pete Bethune and, repainted and renamed, donated its use to Sea Shepherd to fight whaling.

''I believe the cause has to be attacked from a variety of angles,'' Mr Gil said. ''[Sea Shepherd leader] Paul Watson is the firing arm.''

Mr Gil said he had never been to sea before, and he came ashore shaky. For the Tasman crossing, Mr Bethune kept the speed down in rough seas. Nevertheless, Mr Gil said the ride was a physical ordeal inside the cramped central cabin.

He left the ship to Mr Bethune and a crew of five to go south into ice-strewn whaling waters.

Captain Watson said from Fremantle, where he is readying his main ship, Steve Irwin, that the Ady Gil would be used to intercept the whaling fleet's chaser boats. ''What I think we can do is latch onto at least one of the three harpoon vessels and keep them out of the picture.''

Mr Gil said he was confident of the ship's safety. It passed an inspection by Maritime New Zealand before being declared fit for the Tasman crossing. Mr Bethune has plastered on half a tonne of Kevlar armour to reduce hull damage if the Ady Gil hits ice, and painted it with carbon-flecked paint that he says will lower the ability of radar detection. He also set an array of speakers capable of 9000 watts of sound into the rear of the cockpit, the better to get his message across.

''What will I play when I find them?'' Mr Bethune said. ''Hmm. Tangaroa from [NZ musician] Tiki Taane. It's a growling big sort of a song about the God of the Sea who looks after us.''

Mr Bethune then wound up the song and its big Maori war-cry chorus, driving a television crew from the dock.

With the Japanese fleet currently reported to be halfway through their journey south, the Sea Shepherd ships plan to leave next week to begin their campaign about the time the whaling usually starts.

A spokesman for federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett reiterated a warning for all parties to exercise restraint and make safety at sea the highest priority.


http://www.theage.com.au/national/wail-for-whales-stealth-boat-to-blast-japanese-20091130-k18l.html
Stradee
 
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Reply Tue 1 Dec, 2009 02:00 pm
@msolga,
Shocked

Kudo's from the arts?

Gotta luv California (me home state) Very Happy

msolga, what's the story about culling camels in Australia? Didn't hear much in America, just a few stories on NPR. A tragedy (if that's what is happening)

We're still fighting to stop the wolf slaughter in Alaska and three other states. Evil or Very Mad
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 1 Dec, 2009 03:03 pm
@msolga,
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/254171/?tab=featured
Quote:
South Park
Poker Face
Season 13
Whale Whores
The Sea Shepherd's new captain takes Whale Wars to the next level.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251888/?autoplay=false
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 1 Dec, 2009 03:34 pm
@msolga,
That is one mean looking mini ship.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 05:47 am
@Stradee,
Quote:
msolga, what's the story about culling camels in Australia? Didn't hear much in America, just a few stories on NPR. A tragedy (if that's what is happening)


Apparently $19 million of Federal government money will be spent on culling camels (by shooting them from helicopters & leaving them to die in the desert) because they are causing such problems in parts of the Northern Territory, South Australia & Western Australia.

http://fw.farmonline.com.au/multimedia/images/large/534758.jpg

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.... The drama began when 30 camels approached the town, known as Kaltukatjara to its mostly indigenous population, more than a month ago. More followed looking for water, and soon thousands of the animals " which can grow up to 2.1 metres (7ft) tall and weigh 900kg (2,000 pounds) " were antagonising locals.

"The community of Docker River is under siege by 6,000 marauding wild camels," the Northern Territory local government minister, Rob Knight, told Northern Territory News. "The herd is increasing day by day."


It's yet another "introduced species problem" that's gotten way out of control. Sigh. :

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Camels were first taken to Australia in 1840 from the Canary Islands to help in exploring the vast outback. The population continued to rise until the early 1920s, when motorised vehicles became more widely available.

As the need for them dwindled, most were turned into the bush, where owners expected they would die in the harsh conditions. But numbers have swollen to the extent that the Northern Territory government now estimates that "in excess of 1 million" feral camels are roaming the country.


I understand that some form of culling/control management may well be necessary, but the proposed method seems a particularly cruel one & this is what's upsetting animal wefare groups.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/26/australia-thirsty-camels-animal-welfare
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2009 05:59 am
@tsarstepan,
Laughing

Thanks for posting that, tsar. Very funny.

Just one thing, though: I feel rather put out at Captain Paul being called a fat liar. He may be a chunky fellow, but he speaks the truth! Smile Wink
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 09:43 pm
@msolga,
Sorry, folks.
Looks like our relief & joy were somewhat premature ...
Sad :


Japan vows to carry on whaling
By North Asia correspondent Mark Willacy for AM

Posted Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:41am AEDT
Updated Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:26am AEDT


In a massive blow to anti-whaling activists, Japan's new centre-left government has vowed to continue its policy of scientific research whaling.

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In an interview with the ABC, Japan's Foreign Minister Katsuya Okada has revealed that his government has no intention of reviewing the policy.

And the minister says that eating whale meat is an important element of Japanese culture that must be respected by Australians.

The Japanese whaling fleet is heading towards the frigid waters of the Southern Ocean where it will again do battle with militant protesters from the Sea Shepherd Conservation group. ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/11/2768448.htm
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 09:54 pm
@msolga,
Bloody hell! Back to the drawing board! Back to square 1. mutter, mutter ...
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 05:35 am

'Willful' attack escalates anti-whaling war

By Jennifer Macey for PM
Posted 2 hours 52 minutes ago
Updated 25 minutes ago



http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201001/r495137_2587048.jpg
The Ady Gil came off worse for wear in a confrontation with Japanese whaling vessel Shonan Maru 2. (Sea Shepherd Conservation Society: Sea Shepherd Conservation Society)

The anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd has vowed to continue the fight against whaling in the Southern Ocean after a Japanese boat deliberately rammed and sunk one of its vessels.

Sea Shepherd says Japanese security ship Shonan Maru 2 has sheared off the bow of the Ady Gil, its high-speed carbon fibre boat.

Japanese whalers are also accused of using Australian charter planes to spy on the whereabouts of Sea Shepherd vessels.


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The president and founder of Sea Shepherd, Captain Paul Watson, says this afternoon's attack will not hurt the group's resolve to stop whaling.

"If they think that our remaining two ships will retreat from the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary in the face of their extremism, they will be mistaken," he said.

"We now have a real whale war on our hands now and we have no intention of retreating."

Chris Aultman, the helicopter pilot on board the Sea Shepherd's Steve Irwin, says no one was hurt in the attack, but it could have been fatal.

"Luckily no one was in the bow of the vessel at the time of the collision or they certainly would have been killed instantly," he said.

Mr Aultman says the attack was unprovoked.

"At the time of the collision, the vessel was dead in the water. It was motionless and there was no confrontation taking place between the two vessels," he said.

"The Shonan Naru just must have seen a suitable target and took upon itself to strike the vessel. It was a completely and absolutely wilful act."

The six crew on board the Ady Gil have been transferred to the Sea Shepherd's third ship, the Bob Barker, which put out a distress call after the attack.

Sea Shepherd unveiled the Ady Gil, worth $1.5 million, in October last year. The ship could reach up to 50 knots and was used to intercept and block harpoon ships from killing whales.

Garrett calls for calm

Federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett says the Government is very concerned by the collision, and called on all parties to show restraint.

"We condemn any dangerous or violent activity that takes place in the Southern Oceans and we call on all parties to exercise absolute restraint," he said.

"No request for assistance was sought by the vessels involved. The Government repeats its calls for the utmost exercise of restraint and to remember that safety at sea is of paramount importance."

Mr Garrett says the Government has no immediate plans to send a ship to the Southern Ocean to monitor tensions.

"The Government isn't making any decisions about sending vessels at this point in time," he said.

"On the basis of the information that the Government has, there hasn't been a formal request for assistance to the Australian Maritime Safety Authority.

"We believe that on the basis of those reports that those crew members from the Ady Gil are safe on another vessel."

Spying claims

The ramp up in hostilities comes amid accusations from Sea Shepherd that the Japanese have chartered Australian planes to spy on their three ships.

Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard says she does not condone this type of surveillance.


"We don't condone this action by the Japanese government at all. We are urgently seeking legal advice about this conduct," she said.

Greens leader Bob Brown says the Federal Government should ban Japanese whalers from having access to Australian airports.

"The Australian Government is facilitating the innovative whaling interests from Tokyo in getting at the whales, it's as simple as that," he said.

"This country has the ability to legislate to prevent any further surveillance taking place. It does it, for example, to prevent terrorism, and it can do the same to prevent the slaughter of the whales."

Senator Brown says the Australian Government should get serious about preventing whaling and send its own surveillance vessels to track whalers.

"While the whales are being harpooned with grenade tipped harpoons, [Prime Minister] Kevin Rudd and [Environment Minister] Peter Garrett are asleep," he said.

"They don't want to know about it they find it politically embarrassing."

Ms Gillard rejects these accusations, saying the Government is taking action against the Japanese whaling program.

"We did dispatch a vessel during a whaling season to get footage of whaling. We have that footage available to us for an international court action," she said.

"We are currently pursuing this matter hard diplomatically, but should it become necessary to have an international court action, we have the evidence available to us from the actions we've already taken."

A spokesman for Japan's Fisheries Agency, which oversees the whaling program, has told the ABC in Tokyo that it is investigating the circumstances of today's alleged ramming incident.

The spokesman says it is not clear whether it was an accident or a collision.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/06/2786875.htm

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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 06:01 am
@msolga,
Article & video footage:
http://www.theage.com.au/environment/whale-watch/japanese-ship-sinks-whale-protest-boat--ady-gil-20100106-ltp4.html?autostart=1
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 12:53 pm
One of these days someone is going to get hurt in these stupid confrontations at sea. Sea Shepherd is such a joke, I wish the whaling debate were not dominated by such idiots (e.g. conservation would be a more noble ideal than nutso self-promotion).

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Nothing against whales, but self-important egomaniacs who treat the law with contempt in pursuit of their own private agenda are not the sort of people you want championing your cause, no matter how worthy. If it's OK for the Sea Shepherds to break the law and endanger lives in pursuit of any cause they consider important enough, it's OK for them to break the law in pursuit of any cause at all. If whaling is to be halted, it should be done via legal international means, not via crazed zealots with bat-boats and "photonic disruptors."


http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2010/01/06/good-riddance-ady-gil.aspx
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:58 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Unfortunately I'm in a rush this morning, Robert, so I'm unable to spend enough time to give a more detailed response to your post.

I completely disagree with what you've said. I wish direct action (on the part of those with strong enough views about protecting whales) wasn't necessary. I know you would argue that it isn't necessary, but the alternative is doing nothing. The decision of the International Whaling Commission that whaling cease has been completely disregarded by the Japanese government, its whaling industry and a few other countries. Despite Japan being a member of the IWC. Ridiculous technical loopholes, which have no credibility at all, have been used to justify the ongoing slaughter of whales for commercial purposes. Persuasion & diplomacy have not made one iota of difference to the Japanese stance on whaling. Campaigns by the likes of GreenPeace & other animal welfare welfare/rights organizations have had no impact, either. Basically, the Japanese have continued whaling regardless of it all. So, given that this is the situation, those who want to protect whales from this unnecessary & cruel slaughter (for a variety of reasons) have two options: do something or do nothing. Sea Shepherd is the only organization which is actually attempting to do something. And I applaud them for it. But, as I said, direct action shouldn't be necessary at all. I guess it all depends on how strongly you feel about this issue.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 05:37 pm
@msolga,
Well as you know I fundamentally disagree with you about whaling in that my interest in saving the whales is species conservation and while I don't like any whale to be killed I don't like that pigs are killed either, and I don't think cultures should dictate to others what they should eat based on their affinity for a particular animal (I certainly don't want Indians telling us not to eat beef).

So the whaling that is sustainable I find ugly but in the same way I would find an abattoir ugly. Killing animals and eating them is inherently an ugly thing if you put yourself in their shoes.

So we obviously feel differently about the issue I want species conservation and not culture clashes over what is an acceptable animal to eat, but even if I held your beliefs I'd hold this bunch in low regard. Their self-aggrandizing is insulting to me. Southpark actually did a great take on them. One of their characters wants to do something about the Japanese killing whales and dolphins but becomes disillusioned after joining them.



I don't think they save any whales and the millions they spend go toward letting them act out their delusions of grandeur. I see them as cheap attention hounds who put others in danger much like the Balloon boy parents with the only difference being that they successfully attach their antics to a cause (Balloon boy parents tried some angles with storm chasing but never really got a good cause to attribute their media whoring to).

Here are other similar takes on this bunch:

http://sharkdivers.blogspot.com/2009/03/sea-shepherd-faked-whale-media-asking.html

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While SSCS "devoted" claim their eco org is legitimate and actually saves animals acting as the guardians of wildlife, we maintain they have devolved into little more than a media machine that has gone off the rails, trading your hard won eco dollars for faked press releases and even less credible reality television shows.

SSCS media output has become so abjectly dishonest and fanciful that we're not surprised many governments and blogs like this one are taking a stance against Wagging the Conservation Dog for continued ineffective eco results.



http://rokdrop.com/2009/03/07/sea-shepherd-whale-lies-exposed/

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As everyone knows I have no love for the eco-loon group Sea Shepherd, which continues to be a disgrace to every legitimate environmental movement out there. Well now this group’s creditability has finally hit rock bottom as their litany of lies has finally been called out.


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Sea Shepherd clearly lied in the Nine MSN article in order to create another eco-drama along the lines of the eco-loon lies I have pointed out before this group regularly spews in regards to Japanese whaling. Does everyone remember Sea Shepherd founder Paul Watson’s claims that the Japanese shot him or the fake hostage drama?
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 05:42 pm
@Robert Gentel,
(about to rush out the door, but taking a last peek)

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, Robert. And that's fine. (though you're completely wrong! Wink )
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 05:55 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:
though you're completely wrong!


Wouldn't be the first time. I do want to say that it's always a pleasure to disagree with you, you disagree agreeably.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 05:59 pm
@Robert Gentel,
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So the whaling that is sustainable I find ugly but in the same way I would find an abattoir ugly.
Totally unrelated issues. Cattle are artificially reared and bred for numbers that are waaaaay unsustainable within a natural environment. More feed is actually poured into a feedlot in order to keep the "meat residents " alive and fattening. Whales are sustained within their environment and several target species are slipping beneath the curve of "natural sustainability" all due to hunting (and pollution of estuaries and Gulf regions where whales go to breed).


Also, whale has been "sold " to various cultures as a delicacy rather than a staple. It would be like converting millions of acres of Calif San Juaquin Valley to only grow India Running Ducks because we can pump up sales of India Running Ducks at vastly inflated profits.


farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 06:12 pm
@farmerman,
Whaling in Japan, although it goes back centuries, was primarily a delicay for the emperors, and was not a food of the peasant. The meiji period saw that Japan forbad the use of powder charge harpoons because of their respect for whales. The Post WWII period saw the rapid increase of whale hunting for the burgeoning middle and wealthy classes.


Are you for killing Bengal Tigers?
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 06:21 pm
@farmerman,
I don't think you understood my point. They are very different issues from a matter of conservation. But msolga isn't concerned with conservation specifically, she wants no whales to be killed period.

So I recognize that there is a very different issue of sustainability (which is my own main concern about whaling) my comparison was to the emotional side of msolga's argument, which is that it's a pity to kill such intelligent and beautiful creatures and that this should not be done.

My point was that pigs are intelligent and their fate in an abattoir is not pretty, and a similar appeal to emotion can be made there. Many cultures are appalled by what another culture eats (quite frankly almost everything Japanese people eat I can't handle, including whale and all sea food) but unless there is a legitimate issue of resource conservation I don't think they should be allowed to dictate what animals are fair game.

The issue of whaling started with a legitimate issue of species conservation and the International Whaling Commission was created with the mission of creating the conditions for sustainable whaling. It has since morphed into an anti-whaling organization because of nations who are appalled by the concept of killing whales altogether.

I don't do sea food, but Japan's land dictates that they do. And Southpark again expressed this culture conflict nicely when at the end of their whaling episode Japanese are converted into "normal" people who no longer hate whales and dolphins but now hate cows and pigs like us.

My point about our eats not being pretty is that this is an inordinate emotional attachment to one animal, and that cultures that kill animals like pigs are hypocritical to advocate such animal rights only for animals they aren't interested in eating themselves.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 06:23 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Are you for killing Bengal Tigers?


I am opposed to the killing of any endangered species. I oppose whaling that is not sustainable.
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