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Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

 
 
Wilso
 
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Reply Sun 9 Dec, 2007 04:42 am
I'm more interested in the Iraq deployment. That was the one I was opposed to. I always supported the Afghan issue.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 12:55 am
I was more interested in transparency of governmemt, Wilso.

Lack of transparency was a major flaw (putting it politely!) with the previous Liberal government.

I would have greatly appreciated it if the new Labor government had cleared this up. I doubt the Netherlands government is a totally unreliable source.

I think our press has let them off very lightly on this matter.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 01:08 am
This is all the information we got today.:

Afghanistan troop extension likely
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/09/N_TROOPS_OUT_wideweb__470x295,0.jpg
Out now: Peace protesters stage a rally at Melbourne's State Library yesterday demanding the withdrawal of Australian troops from Afghanistan and Iraq. The rally, organised by the Unity for Peace coalition, and supported by the Greens, among many others, used the slogan: "Howard has gone, we voted for change, now bring all the troops home."

Brendan Nicholson
December 10, 2007/the AGE


THE Rudd Government insists that no decision has been made to extend Australia's troops in Afghanistan for another two years, but it is very likely to make that commitment at a meeting of defence ministers in Scotland this week.

Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon travels to Edinburgh for a meeting of defence ministers from "Regional Command South", which directs military operations in southern Afghanistan. The Sunday Age reported yesterday that Australian soldiers would remain in Afghanistan until at least 2010. Member nations fear a Taliban resurgence in that region, where Australian special forces have been involved in heavy fighting.

The Dutch Government told its Parliament on November 30 that it would leave its troops in Afghanistan until August 2010, partly because Australia and the US were keeping troops there.

The Netherlands has about 1400 troops, including artillery and attack helicopters, in Oruzgan Province and the 1000 or so Australians in Oruzgan work closely with them.

The Howard government repeatedly urged the Dutch to keep their 1400-strong force in Afghanistan and Labor indicated several times during the election campaign that it was committed to the campaign in Afghanistan and would consider sending more troops there.

When Australia's reconstruction task force was sent last year, then PM John Howard said they were going for two years.

Defence force chief Angus Houston has warned that international troops are likely to be needed in Afghanistan for at least a decade.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/afghanistan-troop-extension-likely/2007/12/09/1197135285848.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 01:38 am
Pretty much the same as Ruddock & the Libs would have done.

At least Ruddock would have publicly justified his decision, no matter how outrageous it might have seemed!

I assume Mr McCelland approves of the Hicks' Guantanamo hearing & considers it legitimate? And accepts its "findings?":


msolga wrote:
McClelland gives green light for Hicks control order
ABC news online
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200705/r145125_507400.jpg
If the control order is approved, it will limit Hicks' movements once he leaves Adelaide's Yatala prison. (File photo) (7.30 Report)

Federal Attorney-General Robert McClelland has given the Australian Federal Police (AFP) the go-ahead to seek a control order against former Guantanamo Bay inmate David Hicks.

Neither Mr McClelland's office nor the AFP would comment on this development, saying it is an operational matter.

But the ABC understands the Attorney-General has granted the AFP permission to seek a control order on Hicks before the Federal Magistrates Court in Adelaide.

If the control order is approved, it will limit Hicks' movements once he leaves Adelaide's Yatala prison on December 29.

He will be under a curfew and will have to report three times a week to police in Adelaide.

Hicks has served a nine-month sentence in Australia after pleading guilty to one terrorism charge in a controversial hearing at Guantanamo Bay.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/10/2114828.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 06:12 am
Rudd won't commit to targets at Bali
Sid Marris
December 10, 2007/the AUSTRALIAN


KEVIN Rudd will not commit to targets to curb greenhouse gas emissions while in Bali but he insists this will not undermine co-operation at the UN meeting.

Speaking before leaving for the climate change summit in Indonesia, Mr Rudd said he was committed to a considered view, which was why he had enlisted economist Ross Garnaut to examine the issue.

But taking a considered view did not mean that Australia would not be making an important contribution at the Bali conference, he said.

"I would not have taken the decision to proceed with the ratification of Kyoto unless as Prime Minister of Australia I was determined to show leadership in this area," he said in Brisbane.

"I intend to show leadership in this area, and it will be done on the basis of sober, careful decision making on the way through.


"… As I said prior to the election, when it comes to the determination of our targets, they will be driven by the outcomes of the Garnaut report which Labor had the foresight to commission six months before the election."

Mr Rudd said the meeting would allow him to meet the Indonesia president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who congratulated him on the night of his election win, as well as the World Bank president Robert Zoellick and former US vice president Al Gore, who campaigned for the Labor leader during the election campaign.

Professor Garnaut's report, due to be released in June, will form the basis of the government's carbon-emissions targets.

Earlier, Professor Garnaut said a commitment to set up a carbon-trading scheme by 2010 was ambitious but achievable.

"I think that's a practical objective although it won't be easy and it'll require a lot of work in a short period of time," he told ABC Radio today.

"But it's important that we get there as soon as possible and I think those timetables are achievable."
...<cont>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22897904-601,00.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 06:15 am
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5791718,00.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 07:59 pm
Mr R (plus contingent of heavies, plus Peter) goes to Bali:

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/10/1112_cartoon_gallery__600x377,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 08:02 pm
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5793425,00.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 08:03 pm
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/10/1112CARTOON_gallery__520x400.jpg
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 01:15 pm
Well, he's talking the talk.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22916177-601,00.html

Quote:
Rudd playing hard ball with US
Matthew Franklin, Chief political correspondent | December 13, 2007
KEVIN Rudd has demanded the US join the rest of the developed world in embracing targets to slash carbon emissions, insisting all developed nations must accept their responsibility for fighting climate change.

The Prime Minister told the UN climate change conference in Bali that global warming was threatening Australian natural wonders such as the Great Barrier Reef, Kakadu and rainforests, killing rivers and exposing people to more frequent and ferocious bushfires.

Mr Rudd's comments yesterday came as the US became a focus of increasing criticism at the conference, with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono warning that the push to tackle climate change would fail without a greater commitment from the world's richest nation, which is the only developed country yet to ratify the Kyoto Protocol for cutting carbon emissions.

Mr Rudd, whose cabinet ratified Kyoto last week in its first decision after its victory in last month's election, did not mention the US by name yesterday but left no doubt as to his expectations of the world's largest carbon emitter.

"We need all developed nations - all developed nations - those within the framework of Kyoto and those outside that framework - to embrace comparable efforts in order to bring about the global outcomes the world now expects of us," Mr Rudd said.

"We expect all developed countries to embrace a further set of binding emissions targets and we need this meeting at Balito map out the process andtimeline in which this will happen."

Hundreds of delegates from around the world are meeting in Bali to establish a road map for the negotiation of a new emissions reduction deal, which will take effect after the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012.

Negotiations must be complete by 2009.

Mr Rudd, in his first international outing as Prime Minister, continued to refuse to quantify his preferred targets yesterday, despite a push within the conference for participants to agree to adopt emission reduction targets of between 25 per cent and 40 per cent by 2020.

A reference to this medium-term target is likely to be removed from a statement being negotiated at the conference after pressure from the US, Japan and Russia.

Mr Rudd has committed to only a 60 per cent reduction by 2050, but has reserved the right to delay a decision on short- and medium-term action until he receives a report from economist Ross Garnaut next year.

However, Mr Rudd significantly hardened his climate-change rhetoric, leaving no doubt he will embrace further cuts and warning that the consequences of inaction on climate change would be more serious than the cost of action.
"For Australians, climate change is no longer a distant threat, it's no longer a scientific theory," Mr Rudd said.

"Its an emerging reality. Our rivers are dying, bushfires are more ferocious and more frequent, our unique natural wonders - the Great Barrier Reef, Kakadu, our rainforests - are now at risk."

He said the challenges of climate change transcended "the old ideological, political and developmental divide" and demanded global action.

"The community of nations must reach agreement. There is no plan B. There is no other planet that we can escape to. We only have this one," he said.

He also acknowledged the legitimacy of the aspirations of developing nations to improve the lives of their citizens, committing his Government to fighting global poverty and assisting the developing world on climate change with financial incentives and sharing of new technologies.

After warm applause from the conference in recognition of his decision to reverse the Howard government's refusal to ratify the Kyoto Protocol, Mr Rudd said his Government would revive Australia's long tradition of involvement in multilateral engagement.

"In the past we've been willing to put our shoulder to the wheel," Mr Rudd said. "What I say to this conference is that under the Government that I lead, we are doing so again."

Dr Yudhoyono, host of the conference, said all developed countries must be involved in the post-Kyoto framework.

"We must ensure that the United States of America, as the world's biggest economy ... and the world leader in technology is part of such a post-2012 arrangement," Dr Yudhoyono said.

"Because, otherwise we will not be able to effectively address the climate-change issue."

He also called on developed nations to accept that poorer nations must continue to develop.

While developing nations had to do their part in tackling climate change, advanced nations needed to understand their difficulty, he said. "We must keep in mind that many in developing countries worry not about cars, airconditioning or cell phones, but whether they will have food on their plates," he said. "We must all do something differently and do something more."

Dr Yudhoyono said Indonesia was devoting its efforts to preserving 22 million hectares of rainforest to provide carbon sinks. It had planted 89 million trees this year and was cracking down on illegal logging.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 03:43 pm
Go easy on the seppo's Kev, the Kazaks haven't signed either!

Sheesh.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 11:31 pm
vikorr wrote:
Well, he's talking the talk.


But will he walk the walk ... beyond Kyoto?

THAT is the question.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:06 am
I quite agree...and the more noise he makes about it, the more he must be seen to conform with said noise.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:12 am
vikorr wrote:
I quite agree...and the more noise he makes about it, the more he must be seen to conform with said noise.


Well let's just hope, vikorr, that big noise = big commitment! :wink:
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:36 am
A question to the hinge person:

Who are the seppo's?

My, you can be bewildering sometimes! :wink:
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:48 am
..& now a word from our cartoonists.
Leake, you're a shocking cynic! :wink::


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5797039,00.jpg
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dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:57 am
[quote="msolga"
Who are the seppo's?
[/quote]

seppos = septic tanks = Yanks = Bushco.

ref: Rudd having a crack at the American administration for not signing up for Kyoto.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:57 am
Sorry, you'll have to wait something like 6 months till that commissioned report arrives on Kevin's (certainly not Peter's! Shocked) desk!:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/12/rgcartoon_dec13_gallery__562x400,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 01:10 am
dadpad wrote:
seppos = septic tanks = Yanks = Bushco.

ref: Rudd having a crack at the American administration for not signing up for Kyoto.


"Septic tanks" = yanks! Of course I knew that one!

But "seppos"? Nah, I'm too slow!

Now I see!

I like it! Laughing

Yeah, dadpad, I know about the crack at the the US. It's the bloody slang I can't keep up with! Confused

Perhaps we should create an Oz political slang thread here, to be regularly updated for those slow on the up-take ... like me!
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bungie
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 04:15 pm
Quote:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/08/2113484.htm

Trade Minister Simon Crean says developing countries like China and India must set tough binding emissions targets before Australia agrees to a new Kyoto agreement beyond 2012.
Last week the Australian delegation indicated it supported a 25 to 40 per cent cut in emissions for developed countries beyond 2012.

The European Union, developing countries led by China, and environmental activists are urging the rich world to commit to reducing their polluting greenhouse gas emissions by 25 to 40 percent by 2020.

But Mr Crean said that promises by rich countries alone to cut carbon dioxide emissions would not solve global warming


I take issue with what is perceived to be developing countries.
When one hears " developing country", you tend to think of people with little to eat, no industry, poor health, little or no education and in general, a poor country. Would you consider a country that has spent untold amounts of money developing nuclear weaponary as a developing country ? Eg, China and India ? As far as I am concerned, any country that has nuclear weapons can't be described as developing. Countries that spends that sort of money on atomic reasearch and development don't need special concessions from countries that have refused to go down that path..
China and India are believed to have nuclear weapons numbering in the hundreds and have the systems to deliver them.
The money and manpower could have been better spent on preserving the enviroment rather than developing ways of totally destroying it.
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