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Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

 
 
dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 03:55 am
@msolga,
I suspect he has a lot of those.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 03:57 am
@dlowan,
No doubt. Then a lot of them really stuffed up, then!
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 03:57 pm
@msolga,
I loved it. He could only keep the mad monk down for so long. The spirit of Mark Latham rises.

But what does it all mean?

The mines don't want inexperienced youth (they even turn back 'ticketed' people with no mines experience)

Does Tony assume that no-one under thirty, or the parents of under thirties will vote for him so he pandering to the rest? Nice work.

Is this the 21st century version of "bring back nasho"?
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 23 Apr, 2010 03:53 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
But what does it all mean?


You're not asking me to explain the Mad Monk's thinking, are you, hinge? Wink

My best guess is that he thought it might be advantageous to have a little dig at the great unwashed .. the unemployed who "don't want to work", who we're supporting through our hard earned taxes, blah, blah, blah ...

I mean, this sort of simplistic political nonsense worked a treat when plugging away at the "boat people" issue. And actually got Rudd to change the policy on Afghan & Sri Lankan asylum seekers. As a result, the Libs are now polling better & the majority of polled Australians actually agree with him on this one. So maybe he thought he could make a bit more mileage by having a go at the unemployed, too? I mean, it's always worked before, hasn't it?
Like you, I'm absolutely delighted he fell on his face with this one. And now has egg all over it. Smile
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 23 Apr, 2010 03:55 am
@msolga,
Waste of good egg.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 23 Apr, 2010 04:04 am
@dlowan,
Eggsactly!!! Wink





(Sorry! Did I really say that? Embarrassed)
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 01:13 am
From the just received dispatch from Crikey!:

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Clumsy but ruthless -- why Rudd is clearing the decks now
Canberra correspondent Bernard Keane writes:


There's a definite look of panic to the Government's pre-election deck-clearing, with anything faintly inconvenient being chucked overboard in extreme haste.


It probably isn't so much panic -- all the polling suggests the Government remains on track to increase its majority at the coming election -- as a combination of ruthlessness and opportunism driven by the political calendar. The Government has been preoccupied with health, but that has now moved from an extra-parliamentary stoush with the Premiers to a parliamentary stoush with the Opposition.

Next week, the week before the Budget, will be dominated by the Henry Review, with the Government's response likely to be carefully stripped of anything that could be manipulated into a scare campaign by the Opposition.
The Budget is delivered the following week, aimed at strengthening the Government's economic credentials in the lead-up to the election.

After that, we're virtually into the election campaign (without any agreed debates, thanks to the Government's petulance and hypocrisy). The speculation about dates will resume with vigour and political coverage will all be channeled through the prism of the imminent poll. The Government will try to ensure that the limited Parliamentary sittings between the Budget and the election are dominated by health and Senate obstructionism.

So this brief period of political dead air, with no Parliament to provide a forum for the Opposition, was the ideal time to kill off everything that doesn't fit the Government's health reform and economic management narrative. The fact that all of the recent backflips except the asylum seeker suspension have been spending initiatives suggests the Government is hell-bent on delivering a significantly smaller deficit -- there'll be no repeat of the Prime Minister and Treasurer's reluctance to mention the number this year.

Incidentally, many in the media has bought into Tony Abbott's "great big new tax" line when talking about how the shelving of the CPRS will keep electricity prices down. Indeed, that claim has been made side-by-side with statements about how much the delay will save the Budget. But the CPRS was going to inject $400m into the economy in 2010-11, and $2.5b over Forward Estimates. It included just under $20b worth of handouts to households, overcompensating them for the relatively minor impacts of the CPRS on electricity and petrol prices. No CPRS means no handouts -- not just to polluters, but to households as well.

The Rudd team will be figuring its rather clunky clearing of the decks will get a couple of days of bad press from the commentariat -- mission accomplished there -- but won't register strongly with voters out in the real world.
Where it might come back to bite them, especially on the CPRS decision, is via Caucus, where plenty of backbenchers are unhappy, especially given the lack of consultation.

The next Caucus meeting, to be held when Parliament returns the week after next, might be a lot more interesting than most held under this Government -- although by then proceedings will be overshadowed by taxation and the Budget.

They'll also figure, as with the asylum seeker decision, that any left-leaning votes that would be lost as a result of the CPRS decision will be unlikely to end up with the Liberals. Indeed, if you really want genuine action on climate change, chances are you haven't been thinking of voting Labor since early 2009.

The only complication is that that may not apply in the seats of Denison, Melbourne and Sydney where Green candidates may outpoll Liberal candidates and threaten Labor. If the Greens manage to walk the walk on Polling Day -- a feat that has hitherto been beyond them -- the botching of the CPRS will have been a key factor.

msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 01:21 am
@msolga,
In case you don't live here, this might help you understand the above Crikey article a bit better:

The Henry Review is about taxation:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/23/2881560.htm

CPRS = Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/28/2884962.htm?site=thedrum
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 01:25 am
So what does (Rudd) Labor actually stand for in 2010, exactly?

If you take the Iraq invasion out of the equation, how much better is it than Howard's way?



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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 01:28 am
@msolga,
Ethics Overboard?
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 01:31 am
@dlowan,
You could say that, Deb!

<Sigh>
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 01:42 am
@msolga,
Or you could say a complete loss of political direction. Or the repudiation of just about everything Labor ever stood for. How on earth did the Australian Labor Party end up with an almost apolitical beaurocrat, with religious leanings, for god's sake, in charge of the show? Someone who appears to have little or no empathy with the ideals of the party. Almost as pragmatic & as cynical as Howard was.

I am beginning to think that almost any former ACTU hack would have been preferable to this. I really feel for those folk who have made the Labor Party such a strong commitment in their lives, for the very best of reasons. Long before Rudd entered the scene. Rudd may well turn out to be our Blair.
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 01:54 am
@msolga,
...and before someone states the bleeding obvious ... yes, I know the (Liberal) alternative is even worse!
But what a sorry state of affairs we have come to, when you wouldn't dream of voting for either of the 2 major political parties because they are both so out of touch with the needs & wants of ordinary people. When both lack vision. Some choice!
dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 01:55 am
@msolga,
Well, the damned Libs do hold the power in the upper house...I think that needs to be borne in mind.

msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 01:58 am
@dlowan,
Sure. But that doesn't excuse the Labor Party selling out on so much!
dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 03:07 am
@msolga,
No...but it (and some experience of behind the scenes in government acquired over the last 12 years) makes me less harsh in my judgment than 'twas wont.
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 03:16 am
@dlowan,
What sorts of behind the scenes experiences, Deb? At the local level (SA) level?
Policy making committees?
dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 03:18 am
@msolga,
Politician friends who share their difficulties and frustrations....SA level.
dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 03:28 am
state politics are not in any better shape.
Cant stomache the alternative and Brumby has had his time.
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 03:38 am
@dlowan,
If it's not an awkward question, in what ways did they experience difficulty & frustration? Within the party/government, itself, or from the broader community?

At the federal ALP level, we are now seeing the Labor Party reneg on quite a number of (what many considered) important policies/election promises which were very clearly stated during the last election campaign. Listening to my local ABC, for example, I hear very angry people saying they wouldn't have voted for them unless they believed Labor intended to actually act on their pre-election promises. They were looking for an alternative to Howard's Liberals, but instead got more of the same.
 

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