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Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2010 05:18 pm
@dlowan,
I seriously doubt they're trembling, either, Deb.

I but suspect that the Australians who had their identities stolen (for whatever the purpose, say nothing of an operation like this) might be trembling a bit.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2010 05:58 pm
@msolga,
Dubai now says that an additional 15 people may have been involved in the assassination there. Another 15 people from Aus, GB, Ireland etc may have had their identities stolen to get fake passports. If Isreal gets linked to this, it could get really messy.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2010 06:05 pm
@realjohnboy,
Yes, that's what my thinking is, too, RJB.

It'll be very interesting to see what develops. The countries whose citizens' identities have been stolen obviously have the right to demand some serious answers.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2010 07:01 pm
@realjohnboy,
Update:

Quote:
Speaking after meeting the Israeli ambassador in Canberra today, Mr Smith said the Australian Federal Police would conduct a full investigation into how the passports had been copied or altered.

"At this stage Australian officials have no information to suggest the three Australian passport holders were involved in any way other than as victims of passport or identity fraud," Mr Smith said.

"The Australian Government condemns in the strongest possible terms the misuse and the abuse of Australian passports."

Mr Smith said he also told ambassador Yuval Rotem that the Australian Government expected Israeli officials to cooperate "fully and transparently" with the AFP's investigation.

Earlier Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said he was determined to "get to the bottom" of the case.

He told AM that officials had been working on the case through the night and pledged the Government would "not let the matter rest" and that Australia "will not be silent on the matter".

"If Australian passports are being used or forged by any state, let alone for the purpose of assassination, this is of the deepest concern and we are getting to the bottom of this now," he said
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/25/2829656.htm
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2010 07:06 pm
By the way, msolga, I have started a thread called "Oh, No! Election Day is November 2nd, 2010.
We, in these mid-term elections (i.e. 1/2 way through the President's term), will be electing about 1/3rd of the 100 members of the Senate - our upper body - for 6 year terms. We will also be electing all 435 members of the House for 2 year terms.
I have started writing about some of the Senate races I find intriguing.
Check it out if you are interested.
I am also following the Dutch election after that government collapsed and I will get back to AUS later on. GB coming up, too.
I wish Nimh was still here.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2010 09:18 pm
@realjohnboy,
I will check out that thread, RJB.
Thanks for telling me about it.

Yes, I wish nimh was still around, too. <sigh>
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 24 Feb, 2010 11:48 pm
@realjohnboy,
How many Israelis does it take to kill a lightbulb?
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 25 Feb, 2010 12:16 am
@dlowan,
No idea.
dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 25 Feb, 2010 04:53 am
@msolga,
It's beginning to look like hundreds!
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2010 02:59 am
@msolga,
Update on the identity theft/forged passport episode between Australia & Israel. Everyone treading cautiously, it appears. Interesting that former foreign minister (from the Howard government) Alexander Downer, is quoted in support of the Rudd government on this issue. I wonder what they know that we don't?

Quote:
PM lashes Israel over Dubai plot
JONATHAN PEARLMAN
February 26, 2010/the AGE


http://images.theage.com.au/2010/02/26/1174445/Yuval-420x0.jpg
Israeli Ambassador to Australia Yuval Rotem at the Israeli Embassy in Canberra. Photo: Stefan Postles

THE Rudd government has taken the rare step of publicly reprimanding Israel over the forging of three Australian passports that are believed to have been used in an assassination plot by Israeli spies in Dubai.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, who has described himself as a life-long supporter of Israel, said yesterday he was ''deeply concerned'' about the affair and pledged that Australia would ''not be silent on this matter''.


While the government did not expressly blame Israel - which has refused to comment - it summoned Israel's ambassador, Yuval Rotem, to demand an explanation.

Authorities in Dubai have revealed that forged passports bearing the names of three Australians - Adam Korman, Bruce Joshua Daniel and Nicole Sandra McCabe - were used in a plot they have pinned on Israel's spy agency, Mossad. ....

........It is believed that Australian security agencies investigating the affair think the passports were copied without their owners' knowledge, probably in Israel.

Foreign Minister Stephen Smith yesterday called Mr Rotem to Parliament to express Australia's concerns and indicate that forging passports by Israel would not be regarded as the ''act of a friend''.

Mr Smith said he demanded Israel's ''full and transparent co-operation'' with an investigation by Australian Federal Police, ASIO and the Australian Passport Office. ''I indicated … that if we did not receive that co-operation, then we would potentially draw adverse conclusions from that.''

The Israeli embassy said it had passed on Mr Smith's request for co-operation to Jerusalem.

Mr Smith would not say whether he blamed Israel. But when asked whether calling in the ambassador was a diplomatic rebuke, he said: ''This is a very serious matter.''

Jewish community and pro-Israel groups, including the Australia/Israel and Jewish Affairs Council, refused to comment.

Former foreign minister Alexander Downer said the decision to call in the ambassador was a public rebuke and reflected Australia's conviction that Israel was involved.

''It is quite a big thing for the Foreign Minister to call in the ambassador,'' he told The Age. ''It makes it clear that the minister himself believes Israel is involved.''


.... Opposition Leader Tony Abbott accused the government of failing to prevent passport fraud. Mr Smith responded that the passports were issued under the Howard government. He added: ''People should understand very carefully that no one is suggesting that there is any need to replace old passports.''


http://www.theage.com.au/national/pm-lashes-israel-over-dubai-plot-20100225-p5zi.html
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2010 02:48 am
@msolga,
Lots more stories on the passport identity thefts & Israel but I'll leave them till if/when there are any big new developments.

Meanwhile in Canberra... :


Quote:
Rudd's hospital overhaul to cost states $50b
By online political correspondent Emma Rodgers/ABC NEWS online
Updated Wed Mar 3, 2010 3:42pm AEDT

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200904/r355826_1636739.jpg
New plan: the Commonwealth will take on 60 per cent of all hospital funding (ABC News)

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has unveiled a sweeping national plan to take control of Australia's hospital funding by clawing back $50 billion of GST revenue from the states and territories.

Mr Rudd, who outlined the major changes at the National Press Club today, is likely to face some opposition from state and territory leaders.

The changes would see the Government directly fund the country's public hospital system in a bid to stamp out waste and also include a full federal takeover of all GP and primary healthcare services.

The plan will be funded by pumping one third of the states' GST allocations - which amounts to $50 billion over the forward estimates - directly into hospitals.

The Commonwealth will take on 60 per cent of all hospital funding, which includes the average cost of each patient, ongoing funding for research, training, maintenance and improvements.

That share of hospital funding will cost the Federal Government $30.9 billion over the forward estimates and primary care funding will cost $18.7 billion.

The administration of the funds will be done through local authorities, which will oversee small groups of hospitals and will be subjected to "strong national standards".

These authorities will be will be paid by the Federal Government on the basis of each patient they treat and an independent body will be established to set the "efficient" cost of each treatment.

Funding will also be linked to a hospital's efficiency, with national standards to be set and performance statistics published.

"For the first time there will be nationally consistent performance standards for hospitals in critical areas such as emergency departments and elective surgery to help reduce waiting times for the public," Mr Rudd said <cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/03/2834814.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2010 01:33 am
Two state elections this weekend in Oz.
One in South Australia, the other in Tasmania.
In both cases victory for Labor is not looking at all certain. In fact, a possibility of minority governments is both states is a real possibility.
In both states it appears that the Greens are picking up disenchanted voters, particularly (amazingly!) strongly in Tasmania.
Whether the results of these two state elections are an indication of voters' intentions in the forthcoming federal election (as little as possibly 6 months away) is the question.
Here's Antony Green's analysis on video, courtesy of the ABC. (gotta love Anthony! What enthusiasm for his subject of choice! Wink Very Happy )



The ABC's election analyst Antony Green takes a look at the numbers ahead of polls in Tasmania and South Australia.:

ABC video:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/03/19/2850289.htm
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2010 04:19 pm
@msolga,
Off to hand out dumb how to vote cards.

msolga
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2010 04:21 pm
@dlowan,
For which party? Wink

(Ha.)

Like to have a go at predicting the result in SA?
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2010 04:26 pm
@msolga,
Actually, for my best friend, who is a Labor sitting member.


Dunno...I just the **** hope Family First, or any similar nuts, don't end up with the balance of power.

I'll comment on the Murdoch press and the ridiculous Michelle Chantelois thing sometime.

Here's a glimpse: Page 3 of the local Murdoch 3 days ago...a male child of the husband (not sure if it's her kid as well) is convicted of a number of apparently quite violent offences (I didn't read it, but it seemed to involve some sort of tantrum involving axes and such?)

Headline? "Rann to blame for this" (or similar)
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2010 04:43 pm
@dlowan,
Sigh. Depressing, hey? Neutral

We wouldn't be talking Murdoch press, would we? Rolling Eyes

Interesting, even the fabulous Antony (in the video I posted) says the Rann government is one of the most respectable performers of the current crop of state Labor governments .. I hate seeing these sorts of underhanded media tactics. Ugh.

In any case, I'll be watching the results (particularly changes in voting trends) in both SA & Tasmania closely.

We have a state election coming up in around November in Victoria. Now there's a state government that's on the nose! Pity there isn't a half decent opposition, though. Neutral So I'll probably be doing the Green alternative, yet again.

Interesting, how state Labor governments fear the Greens more than the Libs these days! Sign of the times.
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2010 04:48 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
We wouldn't be talking Murdoch press, would we?


Yes, we would.

Quote:
I'll comment on the Murdoch press and the ridiculous Michelle Chantelois thing sometime.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2010 04:53 pm
@msolga,
When you have a minute, Deb (which is obviously not this minute), I'd be interested in what you think about Nick Zenaphon (sp?), and his relentless crusade against the Scientologists. I agree with much of what he has to say about them, just curious about the motives, the whys .....
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2010 05:11 pm
@msolga,
I do have a couple of minutes.....only gonna take me ten minutes to get to my booth.

I don't know a lot about Nick....which is odd, because a friend of mine used to be one of his minders...but we didn't talk a lot about him, because I don't have much time for him.

I think he kind of gets burrs under his saddle. I agree with him a lot about pokies, I just think he's kind of nuts.

That being said, I also agree with his war against scientology. I would suspect he very reasonable thinks they are dangerous nuts. I wonder if people who have been injured by them have come to him?

He also is great at keeping himself in the news, which would be about continuing to get elected.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 19 Mar, 2010 05:22 pm
@dlowan,
Ah. Thanks, Deb.

Regardless of what his motives are, though. I'm completely supportive of his effects to make the government accountable re Scientology. It absolutely galls me that that it has tax exemption on earnings on the basis of being a "religion". (Why should any religion's earnings be tax exempt, for that matter?) We have also contributed toward the funding of their schools, via our tax dollar. Now that just enrages me! Wink

Anyway, more on that later, I'm sure!
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