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Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

 
 
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 29 Nov, 2009 05:20 am
@msolga,
Of Rann, yes.

The media coverage of the Libs' stuff is, at least, of public issues.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 29 Nov, 2009 05:35 am
@dlowan,
I suppose you've had saturation coverage of the Rann stuff in SA, Deb?

I don't know about this sort of prying into people's private lives is restricted to the US these days, though .... (The UK tabloids are pretty amazing!)

Even the so-called "serious" media here seems to spend an awful lot of space on "celebrity" gossip & trivia. Seems to have gotten particularly bad this year, due to falling newspaper sales, I suppose. I'm really disappointed that the Fairfax papers (the AGE & SMH) seem to be going down this path ... in their papers & online sites. Particularly noticable online.

Do you think the coverage of Rann's affair (whether real or not) in SA was politically motivated? Is an election due this year?
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 29 Nov, 2009 06:29 am
@msolga,
Election in less than four weeks.

You're right re the Brit tabloids. Thanks bloody Rupert.

I hate "celebrity" gossip, too.

msolga
 
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Reply Sun 29 Nov, 2009 06:35 am
@dlowan,
Four weeks! Surprised

Very timely dirt!!!

(Wasn't the "affair" years ago?)
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 29 Nov, 2009 02:35 pm
@msolga,
Not sure.

If there was one.

Who knows?

Who cares?

msolga
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 05:09 am
@dlowan,
Quote:
Who cares?


I think Rann might, actually, as he's talking of suing the odd media organization or two! Wink
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 05:25 am
Another day of high drama in Canberra! Who'd have thought the Libs could be quite so exciting? (Not me, that's for sure.)
First Joe Hockey wasn't nominating. Then he was "persuaded" to nominate. And now the Mad Monk (Abbott) is also nominating for the leadership (after he said he wouldn't), too! And, it sounds like just about everyone has consulted John Howard! :


Abbott throws hat into leadership ring

Posted 2 hours 38 minutes ago
Updated 1 hour 5 minutes ago


http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200911/r477278_2414487.jpg

The contenders: Joe Hockey, Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott.


Liberal frontbencher Tony Abbott has reneged on his offer to withdraw from the leadership contest if fellow frontbencher Joe Hockey nominates.

Quote:
Mr Abbott said after a day of discussions with Mr Hockey, who is in favour of a free vote on the emissions trading scheme (ETS), he had decided to challenge no matter who stands.

Mr Hockey has indicated that if he wins the leadership, the Liberals would have a free vote on the ETS in both houses of parliament.

Such a move would likely give the Government the votes it needs for the ETS legislation to pass.

Mr Abbott, who is against the ETS and also opposes the idea of a free vote, had previously said he would stand aside if Mr Hockey contested the leadership.

But he says his position has changed because Mr Hockey will not adopt a hard line on the ETS ... Cont>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 05:34 am
From Crikey:

Hockey will lead the Liberal Party to disaster

Canberra correspondent Bernard Keane writes:

A short while ago Joe Hockey went to Malcolm Turnbull’s office in Parliament House. Despite repeatedly saying that he would not challenge his leader, he is expected to announce this afternoon that he will be challenging Turnbull for the leadership of their party tomorrow.

Quote:

There’s an outside chance Turnbull will stand aside, but don’t bet on it. The Liberals have nothing Turnbull wants except the leadership. He won’t have any interest in being Hockey’s foreign affairs minister.

And in that case, Hockey will win the ballot comfortably, bringing Malcolm Turnbull’s tumultuous period as leader to an end.

But he will get no honeymoon. There will be a bounce in the polls for the Coalition, but Hockey enters his leadership as damaged goods " and not because he breached his commitment to his leader.

Hockey will be exactly what Nick Greiner and Malcolm Turnbull said yesterday " a puppet of Nick Minchin and the party’s conservatives. Hockey lacks the intellectual heft and political nous to be anything but a figurehead in what will assuredly be a Minchin Regency.

But it’s more than that. Minchin and the party’s conservative wing have sent a powerful signal. While accusing Turnbull of wrecking the party, they themselves have demonstrated that they will inflict any amount of damage on the party, its leader and its brand if they don’t like a decision. They lost the debate last week, refused to accept the result, tried to move a spill, lost that too, then resorted to mass resignations to get their way.

Malcolm Turnbull has been lashed for hitting back hard at them yesterday but he’s a model of decorum compared to a number of rightwingers in the party. These are men and women who plainly think the rules only apply when it’s convenient for them.

Hockey will not be their leader, he will be their hostage. Anything statement short of a repeat of Hockey’s statements last week that the CPRS will be passed will be like one of those dreadful hostage videos, in which captives are forced to say whatever those holding them insist on. Hockey may as well be holding up a newspaper.

The only catch is that Hockey himself may not make it to the election, to the dismay of his captors. He is undoubtedly popular with punters, much more so than Abbott. But his indiscipline, his inability to master a detailed brief, his tendency to resort to bullying when he doesn’t like what someone says, all will be the object of a concerted attack from the Labor machine over the next twelve months, starting the very day he gets the leadership.

While he’s not the goose that Alexander Downer was in 1994, the possibility of a Downer-style flame-out can’t be ignored. That would leave the party to turn to Abbott, which is what Minchin and the conservatives may want in the long term, but it would also leave them a laughing-stock. Well, more so than they currently are.

Turnbull has alienated friend and foe alike with his arrogance, high-handedness and inability to engage constructively and consultatively with his backbench. But he’s a genuine leader, committed to taking the Liberal Party forward and making it competitive. Hockey will lead them to a disaster far worse than Turnbull would have managed.


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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 05:38 am
From today's AGE:

http://images.theage.com.au/2009/11/30/932641/Petty30cartoonofday-620x0.jpg
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 05:54 am
@msolga,
ABBOTT!!!!!!!
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 06:59 am
@dlowan,
(I really wanted to respond by yelling COSTELLO!!!! back at you, Deb! Laughing
But he's gone, baby gone! I keep forgetting. Smile )

Me, I can't see the Monk Monk getting the position. (Too much ultra conservative baggage. He'd turn a lot of voters - particularly women - right off!)

What do you think? The chunky fellow or Mr Abbott?

I guess we shouldn't exclude Malcolm from the race, should we? (I think the idea was that he'd gracefully resign & leave them to it. Not so! Ha!)
dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 07:30 am
@msolga,
Remember the Abbott/Costello libel case?

Do you know that the ABC was instructed that it was to be referred always as Costello and Abbott, not Abbott and Costello?


Quote:
What do you think? The chunky fellow or Mr Abbott?



Damned if I know.


I know little about Hockey.

What do you think of him?

(Apart from his twisting and turning over the last few days having provided grim amusement?)

How do you know when a Liberal leader is about to be deposed?

When his/her colleagues swear undying loyalty.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 07:32 am
@dlowan,
Yes!

But everyone knew they were a couple of clowns, anyway! So it made no difference! Laughing
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 05:58 pm
Surprised

It's Abbott!

Shocked

Unbelievable!

The Liberal Party of Australia has moved even further right than under John Howard's leadership.

Abbott is a "devote Christian", opposed to abortion, stem cell research, the ETS ... etc, etc .. (He's not called "the mad monk" for nothing.)

I'm gobsmacked, just gobsmacked ... Neutral :


Shock win for Abbott in leadership vote

Posted 50 minutes ago
Updated 17 minutes ago


http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200912/r479097_2430019.jpg
Tony Abbott (AAP: Tracey Nearmy)

Tony Abbott is the new leader of the Liberal Party after ousting Malcolm Turnbull by just one vote in a leadership vote today.


Mr Abbott won the final vote against Malcolm Turnbull by 42 votes to 41 after challenger Joe Hockey was knocked out in an earlier vote between all three candidates.


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Mr Hockey was knocked out in the first round of voting when he got 23 votes to Mr Turnbull's 26 and Mr Abbott's 35.

Julie Bishop will stay on as deputy leader, after being unopposed for her position.

Chief party whip Alex Somlyay says confirmation of Mr Abbott's win was met by the party room with a "loud round of applause".

Only 83 votes were counted in the final vote because somebody voted informally.

Fronting the media after the vote, Mr Turnbull said he he would not be resigning and there would be no by-election in Wentworth.

He said he had not decided whether to contest the next election but said he would not be returning to the frontbench.

A smiling Mr Turnbull congratulated Mr Abbott on his win.

"He has a big challenge ahead of him and I think all Australians wish him well with it," he said.

Mr Turnbull said he would not change anything he had done in the last month, but was disappointed by the result.

Mr Abbott will hold a press conference shortly. ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/01/2758221.htm
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 06:02 pm
@msolga,
42 votes to 41.

Incredible.

New Liberal vote on the ETS. .... overwhelming support to oppose Rudd's (Labor Party) Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS).
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 06:10 pm
@msolga,
It's the backlash starting up in response to the wets.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 06:21 pm
@spendius,
Well, the Libs just had their little "experiment" with a liberal Liberal ...

So no it's back to the future for them, I guess ...

I've been listening to ABC radio talkback ... Lots of Liberal voters saying they'll have no choice but to vote informal at the next election. An Abbott-led Liberal Party makes Rudd's Labor look radical! Laughing

.. I think they've just lost a lot of women's votes.

So I guess it's back to the drawing board on the ETS, carbon trading ....

Neutral
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 06:24 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
.. I think they've just lost a a lot of women's votes.


Good. We might get some clarity at last.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2009 06:25 pm
@spendius,
Well, spendy, you might! Wink
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 1 Dec, 2009 06:33 am
Liberals 'liberated' as ETS heads for defeat
Posted 3 hours 32 minutes ago
Updated 1 hour 29 minutes ago

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200912/r479535_2434174.jpg
Corridors of power: Mr Abbott has committed his party to a head-on confrontation with the Government over climate change. (AAP)

This isn't about climate change, it's about the mechanism for dealing with it. It's about stopping a great big new tax. " Tony Abbott

Tony Abbott and those who support him do not believe in climate change, they are climate change deniers, they are climate change sceptics and they are opposed to any action on climate change " Greg Combet

Quote:
Newly-elected Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says the Liberal Party has been liberated from the Government's emissions trading scheme (ETS).

Mr Abbott made the declaration as the Senate moved closer to a vote on the legislation, having dealt with more than 150 amendments to the scheme which is now facing defeat.

The ABC understands a vote is likely to be held on Wednesday morning.


The Upper House is expected to reject the climate legislation after Mr Abbott assumed the Liberal leadership by defeating Malcolm Turnbull 42 votes to 41 in a spill this morning.

Following his narrow victory, Mr Abbott immediately committed his party to a head-on confrontation with the Rudd Government over climate change.

He announced the Coalition would either refer the ETS to a committee or vote it down this week - a move that would hand Prime Minister Kevin Rudd the trigger he needs for a double-dissolution poll.

The legislation is headed for defeat and Mr Abbott says he is ready to fight the Government on climate change.

He told ABC1's The 7:30 Report he hopes to have a substantial climate policy finalised early in the new year.

"We're now moving forward, looking forward to fighting a great big new tax," he said.

"But the Liberal Party is liberated as of today.

"This isn't about climate change, it's about the mechanism for dealing with it. It's about stopping a great big new tax." ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/01/2758982.htm
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