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Oz election thread #3 - Rudd's Labour

 
 
vikorr
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2008 11:13 pm
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I'm coming around to vikorr's view .... that a heathy opposition makes for a healthy democracy.

Though I absolutely know which side I'm on!


Thank you for the compliment.

It was interesting to see your comment that Rudd made two of his staffers apologise to Nelson. That is a fascinating reaction - politically brilliant, and perhaps even a possibility of having been truly decent (well, cynic that I am, I most certainly won't hold my breath on that score).

I do have to say that, in relation to my belief that a healthy opposition makes a healthy democracy -I am so far rather disappointed in the bitterness shown important factions within the coalition (bitterness doesn't make for healthy opposition, nor for well balanced laws)
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2008 12:47 am
vikorr wrote:
It was interesting to see your comment that Rudd made two of his staffers apologise to Nelson. That is a fascinating reaction - politically brilliant, and perhaps even a possibility of having been truly decent (well, cynic that I am, I most certainly won't hold my breath on that score).

I do have to say that, in relation to my belief that a healthy opposition makes a healthy democracy -I am so far rather disappointed in the bitterness shown important factions within the coalition (bitterness doesn't make for healthy opposition, nor for well balanced laws)


My understanding, vikorr, is that the apology to Nelson was not a request, but a demand from Rudd ... in writing!

Yes, the Libs certainly appear to be at war with themselves! I suspect (from what's been coming out of Nelson's - & also Bishop's - mouth that the "Howard-ites" are holding sway, right now. It must be terribly hard for the "small l" Liberals to assert themselves, though. It's a wonder that some of them weren't sent off to some gulag when Howard was in full flight! :wink: Yet, yesterday on ABC radio, I heard Judy Moylan (bless her resilience!) speak very approvingly & compassionately about Rudd's "Sorry" address in parliament. It is only a matter of time before the Tuckeys of the Liberal Party vanish ... & I reckon if the the good guys in the Liberal Party survived Howard, they can hold on for a bit longer & help restore some sanity to their party. Fingers crossed.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2008 01:01 am
Interesting. Apparently something like 40 compensation claims from members of the stolen generations have been lodged. Mainly from Victoria, judging from reports earlier today. (I'll see if I can find the article & post later.) It strikes me as strange that some people are surprised by this. Surely the apology was not a conditional one? If any white person lost a leg, say in an industrial action, of course you'd expect them to seek compensation! Yet here we have people who were removed from their homes by the state, some of whom have had wages withheld because of their aboriginal status, some of whom were abused terribly in church & state institutions & by employeers.... & we're surprised that they might feel they have the right to compensation? There would be no question at all if any white people responded to similar issues by seeking compensation.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2008 02:43 am
From today's Sydney Morning Herald.
So, now it all makes sense to you? :wink: :


http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/02/14/150208editoon_gallery__550x326,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2008 02:54 am
I rather like this! Very Happy

Next, I'm waiting for the headline: CEOs FREEZE THEIR OWN SALARIES!"

Surprised

Now that would really be something!:


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5889927,00.jpg
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2008 05:45 pm
msolga wrote:
I rather like this! Very Happy

Next, I'm waiting for the headline: CEOs FREEZE THEIR OWN SALARIES!"

Surprised

Now that would really be something!:


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5889927,00.jpg



CEO's?




That'll be the day the SUN freezes over!!!!
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 07:11 pm
Laughing
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 17 Feb, 2008 12:32 am
Sigh. Is anyone out there listening?
What is it that so frightens Labor from taking on this issue?
Is it that every single time it comes up it's classified (by those whose interests are with the wealthy) as "class warfare"? (Nasty OLD Labor politics?) I am so sick of this dishonesty!
Mark Latham (to his credit) tried to address the obscene inequality of education opportunity available to different Australians. It didn't go done well. ("Class warfare" again! The media buys this line every time. Why, I wonder?)
Just take a look at the amount of $$$$ some of the most elite schools in Melbourne have available to them ... & ask yourself whether they actually need government support when other schools are struggling to meet the basic requirements.
Kevin Rudd has told his parliamentarians to visit homeless shelters to understand the issues of the homeless. And good for him. I'd suggest he also suggests that they spend a few days at some of the wealthy schools mentioned in this article ... then a few days at typical state schools in Melbourne's west or north ... then ask themselves where government taxes ought to be spent, where the money is actually needed. If Labor seriously wants a real "Education Revolution" it is pretty clear to many of us about how to go about it. Simple: equal opportunity. How hard is that to grasp?
This issue is not about "class warfare" - it's about giving all kids a half-decent chance in life. The very sad thing is this: students in any number of the SAFEST Labor seats around Australia are getting the crappiest education deals going. Sad :


$50m elite schools piggybank
Deborah Gough
February 17, 2008/the AGE


VICTORIA'S top 10 most "profitable" private schools made more than $50 million from school fees and Federal Government largesse in one year alone, with one school pocketing a $12.7 million "profit".

All schools contacted by The Sunday Age stressed that the funds were surpluses because schools are not-for-profit organisations and the money is ploughed back into the school.

The figures do, however, show just how much money some private schools are making, and have sparked calls for the Rudd Government to rethink its commitment to the current funding model.

The top six most cashed-up schools (including their controlled entities) made an average of $7.4 million each in the 2006 calendar year, according to audited financial reports.

The audited figures of the top 10 schools revealed they made a collective surplus of $54.4 million, with their coffers bolstered by $40.5 million in federal grants. The schools' combined wealth put their net worth at $677 million.

Critics described the surpluses as "obscene and gobsmacking".

The Sunday Age investigation found that Scotch College and its controlled entities, which include specific-purpose trust funds and donations, reaped a surplus of $12.7 million in 2006.

The city's other establishment school, Melbourne Grammar, had the second highest surplus with $10.6 million.

Elite boys' schools dominated the top six, with Brighton and Camberwell grammars in the mix, along with former all-boy schools Geelong and Caulfield grammars.

The most profitable all-girl schools were Methodist Ladies' College ($2.6 million) and Presbyterian Ladies' College ($2.3 million).

The investigation centred on 22 schools with fees of more than $17,000 for year 12 tuition.
Two of Melbourne's elite Catholic schools, Xavier College and Genazzano FCJ College, were also checked. Records showed that Genazzano did not record a significant surplus, but the financial affairs of Xavier College, Wesley College and Ruyton Girls' School were organised in such a way that full audited figures were not available.

Scotch College acting headmaster Ian Savage said, in a written response to The Sunday Age, that the school made only a small surplus and the $12.7 million took into account special-purpose trust funds.

"Scotch College accumulated funds are invested in the maintenance and development of the school's facilities for the benefit of our students' ongoing education," Mr Savage said.

He said the college granted students a full rebate for all government recurrent funding received by the school.

Victorian Council of School Organisations president Jacinta Cashen described the financial results as "obscene and gob-smacking". She called for an immediate overhaul of the Commonwealth's socio-economic status funding system, which uses a student's socio-economic status to decide the level of school funding for that child.

Victorian Independent Education Union secretary Deb James said many independent schools did not make large surpluses, adding "it is now obscene to continue with these schools squirrelling away quite large sums of money".

Michelle Green, chief executive officer of the Association of Independent Schools of Victoria, defended the schools, saying they needed to fund all capital works programs without government funds.

She said it was wrong to describe the figures as "profits" because the surpluses were not distributed to shareholders.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/02/16/1202760669040.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 10:10 pm
I thought it a good idea to wait a while before posting again ... so's you all could recover from your excitement in response to my last post.

No doubt about it - the subject of education funding is a real winner! Very Happy
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 10:25 pm
Surprised Well, well!

I guess there isn't enough support out in the business community to support this one, then?

Or perhaps the Libs aren't feeling too confident about being too gung ho about anything much at all, after Brendan's 9 per cent approval rating?:


Coalition backs down on AWAs
Posted 1 hour 41 minutes ago
Updated 37 minutes ago/ABC News online


http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200801/r220118_864506.jpg
Julie Bishop says the Coalition will not oppose the abolition of AWAs. (File photo) (ABC News: Damien Larkins)

The Federal Coalition has backflipped on industrial relations, announcing it will support the Government's move to scrap Australian Workplace Agreements (AWAs).

The Coalition had said that WorkChoices was dead, but it would fight to keep AWAs in place.

But deputy Liberal leader Julie Bishop says the Opposition party room meeting has today decided it will no longer push to keep AWAs, and instead will support Labor's plan for individual contracts.


"The people will understand that we will not be opposing the passage of Labor's bill through the House, that WorkChoices is no longer part of our policy, that we will not oppose the abolition of AWAs," she said.

"We will not oppose this Bill which relates to WorkChoices and the abolition of AWAs.

"We will move an amendment that seeks to make fairer and put more flexibility into contracts than Labor is proposing, and that is to change the nominal expiry date from two years to five years."

Ms Bishop and Liberal Leader Brendan Nelson had previously said they would support Labor's legislation to overturn WorkChoices, while insisting on the retention of AWAs.

Ms Bishop says she has not been overruled by her party, despite the shadow cabinet endorsing a different policy to the one she had originally put forward.

She says she took the new position to the party after wide consultation.


Ms Bishop says a Senate inquiry into the economic impacts of Labor's industrial relations changes will still go ahead.

Meanwhile Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has ridiculed the Opposition in Parliament for changing its stance.

"As of today, Tuesday, I think WorkChoices is off again, I think it's gone again, but I'm not altogether clear, and I'd like some clarification from those opposite, because we've had flip, flop and flap when it comes to the whole question of WorkChoices and the future of AWAs," he said.

"I gather we're up to the flap stage."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/19/2166665.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 10:33 pm
The Libs tried "the Burke connection" to discredit St Kevin, but it didn't work. No one's interested. Too early for such tactics to have any impact, probably. :wink: :

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5895712,00.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 11:32 pm
Opposition stalling over AWAs: Burrow
Staff reporter
February 19, 2008 - 3:58PM


ACTU president Sharan Burrow has accused Opposition Workplace Relations spokeswoman Julie Bishop of using stalling tactics on a bill that will abolish Australian Workplace Agreements (AWAs).

Ms Bishop said today the Coalition would not oppose the passage of Labor's workplace relations bill, but would propose an amendment to the legislation.

Ms Burrow said working families could take no comfort from Ms Bishop's comments.

"She refused to give a straight answer. AWAs - are they in or out?" Ms Burrow said.

"These are weasel words from a party that is still doing the bidding of big business and wants to find any way, a back door way, to keep individual contracts, AWAs."

Ms Burrow said a thousand workers a day were suffering on AWAs.

"A thousand workers a day are forced onto individual contracts," Ms Burrow said.

"Every day that the Liberal Party delays their definite answer to pass the Government bill, these families are at risk of losing income.''

Ms Burrow called for the bill to be passed immediately.

"Show working families, that just once, the Liberals understand that uncertainty must be ended - individual contracts must go," Ms Burrow said.

"The central issue is not about transitional arrangements for the few - it's about ending individual contracts for the overwhelming majority of working Australians who are still at risk.

"A thousand a day are at risk of having to sign (AWAs) ... the legacy of the Howard government." .... <cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/stop-stalling-on-awas/2008/02/19/1203190794001.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 11:47 pm
Sharran Burrow accuses Julie Bishop of using "weasel words" over AWAs.
Fair enough.
But why don't the ACTU & the ALP use plain language themselves, & call workers "workers", dammit?
Rather than this incredibly grating non-stop crapolla about "working families".

Memo Sharran & Kevin: EVERY worker in Australia deserves a fair go from their employer, not just those in working families! (whatever they are! Rolling Eyes) "Worker" is the operative word, or is that a bit too Bolshie for the ALP (& the ACTU) in 2008?

I swear, every time I hear that "working families" jargon, I get turned seriously off! Ugh!

Where the hell did this jargon come from, anyway? Australians don't talk like this. Confused
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2008 11:59 pm
I'm not a worker Olga, I'm a resource, or, if I try hard, an input.

The Bourke stuff was laughable, especially from Brendan 'I never voted liberal in my life' Nelson. Oakes doesn't like him.

In one sentence Brendan said he was a member of the ALP (voting liberal) because the govt of the day was ALP and it helped his work for the AMA, not two sentences later he's saying that he wouldn't declare which party he'd stand for (back in the 90s) because as president of the AMA he couldn't appear biased to one side of politics. Wha-huh?

Quote:


I've stopped feeling sorry for Nelson. Self serving opportunist who stands for nothing, as far as I can tell.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2008 12:01 am
hingehead wrote:


Self serving opportunist who stands for nothing, as far as I can tell.


Sounds like another recent Liberal leader I can remember.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2008 12:12 am
hingehead wrote:
I'm not a worker Olga, I'm a resource, or, if I try hard, an input.


Aw. Sad

But you don't really mean that, hinge. I know. :wink:

Me, I'm an asset (in my current casual position! :wink:) because I'm determined worker! Cool

Up yours, Sharran! Very Happy
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2008 12:15 am
hingehead wrote:
I've stopped feeling sorry for Nelson. Self serving opportunist who stands for nothing, as far as I can tell.


Bewitched, bothered & bewildered is how I'd describe Brendan today. :wink:
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bungie
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2008 01:47 pm
From the above article :-

Quote:
"We will move an amendment that seeks to make fairer and put more flexibility into contracts than Labor is proposing, and that is to change the nominal expiry date from two years to five years."


Oh, how I hate that word "flexibility". We all know it's flexibility
for the employer. grrrrr

Five years is too long to be locked into a work contract. What's wrong with 2 years ? If the contract is good, it can be re-signed for another 2 years.

Heaven help any Coalition member who wants to start screwing the workers again with unfair work laws. The people have spoken .
Come next election, the workers will looking to see who has been
fair to them and who hasn't.

It's a lesson johnny learned the hard way.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2008 02:00 pm
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23243930-601,00.html


As the RBA considers a 0.5% rate rise to 'control inflation'...

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Dr Hughes said inflation was being pushed higher by a range of influences that had nothing to do with the level of demand by Australian consumers. These include the rising demand of China and India for our minerals, with the 65 per cent lift in iron ore prices won by Brazil's giant miner CVRD expected to flow through to Australia's exporters and be followed by a doubling of coal prices.

Australia's iron ore miners are aiming to exceed the Brazilian settlement, and will sell more ore on the higher-priced spot market if they do not succeed.

The rising affluence of developing-country consumers, together with the green policies of the northern hemisphere to support biofuels created from grain, are also pushing up food prices.

The wheat price recently hit an all-time record and in Australian dollar terms is 70 per cent higher than it was a year ago. Dairy prices are up by about 40 per cent, while demand for bio-diesel fuel has pushed the price of canola up 55 per cent.


It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that the current inflation experienced by Australia is mostly out of reach of the RBA influence.

Who then is the inflation going to hurt? - Struggling businesses and battling homeowners.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 19 Feb, 2008 10:33 pm
msolga wrote:
Sharran Burrow accuses Julie Bishop of using "weasel words" over AWAs.
Fair enough.
But why don't the ACTU & the ALP use plain language themselves, & call workers "workers", dammit?
Rather than this incredibly grating non-stop crapolla about "working families".

Memo Sharran & Kevin: EVERY worker in Australia deserves a fair go from their employer, not just those in working families! (whatever they are! Rolling Eyes) "Worker" is the operative word, or is that a bit too Bolshie for the ALP (& the ACTU) in 2008?

I swear, every time I hear that "working families" jargon, I get turned seriously off! Ugh!

Where the hell did this jargon come from, anyway? Australians don't talk like this. Confused


Heard Sharran on 774 (ABC radio, Melbourne) this morning.
This time she talked about "working Australians". (Much better, Sharran! I approve. :wink: )
Hey, you don't suppose threads like this one are actually monitored for public feedback, do you? Razz
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