Church of England launches attack on US

Perhaps, the clergy in the Church of England needs to see old reruns of Gunsmoke/Wagon Train/Bonanza to better understand the U.S.?

The one thing this country does have, that it doesn't need, are ingrates.

yes, and many nationals of many other countries are feeling equally blessed and unique. in that sense your feelings are absolutley normal and not all that different from french, russian, german, japanese...or whichever other nationalist.

people immigrate there, too, and their host coutries' nationalists, too,feel they are 'ingrates' if they dare to criticize their host countries.

i'd rather be considered an 'ingrate' than a blind herd follower and i prefer critical thinking to dogma, hence i dislike exceptionalism of any sort (not just american).

yes, and many nationals of many other countries are feeling equally blessed and unique. in that sense your feelings are absolutley normal and not all that different from french, russian, german, japanese...or whichever other nationalist.

people immigrate there, too, and their host coutries' nationalists, too,feel they are 'ingrates' if they dare to criticize their host countries.

i'd rather be considered an 'ingrate' than a blind herd follower and i prefer critical thinking to dogma, hence i dislike exceptionalism of any sort (not just american).

america was founded by ingrates who had no respect for their leader, didn't want to pay for tea, and comitted acts of treason against their king.

more than half of its population has amnesia.

I cringe at the very thought of being under attack by The Church of England.

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There is no Church of America.

not literally, no. however, i found it incredible that you target power and pomposity as a double problem, when they are the two things worshiped in america above all else. granted, there are some geniune christians here, and some real humanitarians, but the official religion seems to be hypocrisy.

so the church of england has condemned the actions of the united states in the middle east.

well, we lied, we killed countless innocent people, and we're crusading. yeah,

You did? Somehow I doubt you accept the mantle of guilt you would impose.


you'd pretty much have to disagree with that to be christian.

what's the big deal with saying it? don't we believe in freedom of speech? oh right, just for us, we don't believe the english should have freedom of speech, but we should keep bombing iraq until they can vote. it makes no goddamned sense.

yes, america is exceptional and special. it should dictate its idea of democracy (heck, even through violence), but nobody should dare to criticize it.... where have i heard that before? oh yes... exceptionalism.

wikipedia wrote:

American exceptionalism (cf. "exceptionalism") has been historically referred to as the belief that the United States differs qualitatively from other developed nations, because of its national credo, historical evolution, or distinctive political and religious institutions. The difference is typically expressed as some categorical superiority, to which is usually attached some alleged proof, rationalization or explanation that may vary greatly depending on the historical period and the political context...

The basis most commonly cited for American exceptionalism is the idea that the United States and its people hold a special place in the world, by offering opportunity and hope for humanity, derived from a unique balance of public and private interests governed by constitutional ideals that are focused on personal and economic freedom [citation needed]. It is therefore used by United States citizens to indicate a moral superiority of America or Americans. Others use it to refer to the American concept as itself an exceptional ideal which gives the country a privileged position, and which may or may not always be upheld by the actual people and government of the nation. Researchers and academics, however, generally use the term to strictly mean sharp and measurable differences in public opinion and political behavior between Americans and their counterparts in other developed democracies.

Opponents of the concept of American exceptionalism believe it to be little more than ethnocentrism and propaganda.[2] [3] They argue that justifications for an America-centered view of the world are inherently similar to those of many other nations, both ancient and modern, that have claimed an exceptional nature or a destiny different from all other countries. Great Britain at the height of the British Empire, Israel, the USSR and Nazi Germany have claimed manifest exceptionalism, as have many historic empires such as Ancient Rome and China, and a wide range of minor kingdoms and tribes in history. In each case a basis was presented as to why the country was exceptional compared to all other countries, drawing upon circumstance, cultural background and mythos, and self-perceived national aims. There is therefore a sharp divide between the views of those who believe in American exceptionalism, and those who disagree with it.

I think, that wiki-report is just about American Exceptionalism.

Britannica here mainly (actually 'only', as far as I noticed) refers to Seymour Martin Lipset, American Exceptionalism: A Double-Edged Sword (1996)

Walter Hinteler wrote:

I think, that wiki-report is just about American Exceptionalism.

Britannica here mainly (actually 'only', as far as I noticed) refers to Seymour Martin Lipset, American Exceptionalism: A Double-Edged Sword (1996)

However would we manage without the pedantic Walter?

I know, someone out there just might be interested in this insipid explanation.

However would we manage without the pedantic Walter?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

However would we manage without the pedantic Walter?

You call that pedantic?
Because I wrote about I thought the article is about, namely not a comparison of America to Russia or Germany but about what ... the title of that article and the writings in it say?

finn, nobody was comparing america with russia or germany... but american nationalism and nationalists with those elsewhere. big difference.

foofie, what do you mean by 'i am not supposed to look at my history' from this or that point of view? says who? think with your own head, think critically and analytically, and arrive at your own conclusions...not eat up what you're served.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

I think, that wiki-report is just about American Exceptionalism.

Britannica here mainly (actually 'only', as far as I noticed) refers to Seymour Martin Lipset, American Exceptionalism: A Double-Edged Sword (1996)

However would we manage without the pedantic Walter?

I know, someone out there just might be interested in this insipid explanation.

factual posts are far more useful than personal retorts.

dagmaraka wrote:

finn, nobody was comparing america with russia or germany... but american nationalism and nationalists with those elsewhere. big difference.

foofie, what do you mean by 'i am not supposed to look at my history' from this or that point of view? says who? think with your own head, think critically and analytically, and arrive at your own conclusions...not eat up what you're served.

No?

Do you read what you insert?

Opponents of the concept of American exceptionalism believe it to be little more than ethnocentrism and propaganda.[2] [3] They argue that justifications for an America-centered view of the world are inherently similar to those of many other nations, both ancient and modern, that have claimed an exceptional nature or a destiny different from all other countries. Great Britain at the height of the British Empire, Israel, the USSR and Nazi Germany have claimed manifest exceptionalism, as have many historic empires such as Ancient Rome and China, and a wide range of minor kingdoms and tribes in history.

finn, nobody was comparing america with russia or germany... but american nationalism and nationalists with those elsewhere. big difference.

foofie, what do you mean by 'i am not supposed to look at my history' from this or that point of view? says who? think with your own head, think critically and analytically, and arrive at your own conclusions...not eat up what you're served.