Is there anything ethically wrong with cloning humans?

Re: Is there anything ethically wrong with cloning humans?

kickycan wrote:

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I just read that scientists in Great Britain have successfully cloned monkeys now.
One day we will reach a point where we'll have the ability to clone humans successfully.
What would be wrong with that, ethically speaking?

Nothing.

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If you take the religious out of the equation,

Is there something in the Bible
that says u r not supposed to clone humans ?

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I think it would not only be okay to clone humans, but it would be silly not to.

So stipulated.
We shud gentically improve as many human abilities as possible,
elevate intelligence and muscular strength, extend lifespan and breed for beauty;
e.g., many supersmart blue eyed blondes living for centuries or millenia.

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Is there any ethical reason not to ?

No
David[/b]

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dyslexia wrote:

I would like to see far more cloning of body parts/organs such as kidneys, livers, lungs etc.
I don't see much (if any) value in cloning total persons.

It wudda been a gooda idea
to clone Einstein.
( I wonder if its too late for Isaac Newton ? )

That does not stop anyone from cloning for spare parts.

I 'm for a world full of FREEDOM.
David

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Presumably one day, they'll be able to map the brain...all the parts that make up a persons personality and memories (dunno how, but theoretically it seems that it should be possible)...then you could download said personality into the clone...

...of course the clone may have it's own personality, but if you can map and download, then you can also modify...

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We shud gentically improve as many human abilities as possible,
elevate intelligence and muscular strength, extend lifespan and breed for beauty;
e.g., many supersmart blue eyed blondes living for centuries or millenia.

A master race, just as Hitler wished?

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Re: Is there anything ethically wrong with cloning humans?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

So stipulated.
We shud gentically improve as many human abilities as possible,
elevate intelligence and muscular strength, extend lifespan and breed for beauty;
e.g., many supersmart blue eyed blondes living for centuries or millenia.

I know you are not nearly as dumb as you at times pretend to be, Omsig. So I wonder if you truly believe a future where genetically engineering people would seem alltogether great. Let me assure you, it would in all probability lead to genetically changing people to obedient, easily controllable slaves. Either by the governemnt of their countries or the business coorperations they work for.
One of the greatest fears in any country (also in a democracy) is a revolution by the people. It would certainly be in the benefit of a stable government (from the perspecitve of the ruler) to genetically modify the people in such a way that they can never be inflamed to go against their legitimate ruler.

And beauty is a subjective quality. It has to do with a multitude of factors, both genetical (for the beautiful person) and in the mind (for those perceiving and interpreting said beauty). I for one am pretty sure many of those people who survived the WWII concentration camps found little beauty in blue eyed, blonde people. Very little indeed.

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dadpad wrote:

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We shud gentically improve as many human abilities as possible,
elevate intelligence and muscular strength, extend lifespan and breed for beauty;
e.g., many supersmart blue eyed blondes living for centuries or millenia.

A master race, just as Hitler wished?

Obviously; the very best that we can.

Failure to do so ( after it became possible )
wud be an incurable offense against every baby born without such aid;
an unpardonable parental malfeasance, neglect and despicable child abuse.
That abuse wud endure and persist thru the entirety of the victim 's life.
No amount of parental apology cud ever be enuf
whenever the child did poorly in school, was rejected for ungainly appearance, or fell ill and died.

Such a passive biological insult
wud be compounded against each of the negligent parent 's grandchildren
and against every subsequent generation until optimal genetic improvements were effected.
( The victims shud put his picture on a wall, and use it for a dartboard. )

David

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Re: Is there anything ethically wrong with cloning humans?

najmelliw wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

So stipulated.
We shud gentically improve as many human abilities as possible,
elevate intelligence and muscular strength, extend lifespan and breed for beauty;
e.g., many supersmart blue eyed blondes living for centuries or millenia.

I know you are not nearly as dumb as you at times pretend to be, Omsig.
So I wonder if you truly believe a future where genetically engineering people would seem alltogether great.

Let me assure you, it would in all probability lead to genetically changing
people to obedient, easily controllable slaves.

I agree that this is a danger.
Government is very dangerous.
We need to address it and regard it as such.

Qua beauty: many people do not like their looks
for a variety of defects.
I never liked my own looks; if fairly radical structural re-design were possible,
I 'd be interested.
Its a little late, tho.

Babies cud be designed without obvious defects of appearance.
Is it better to have a beautiful child
or an ugly one ?

David

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Cloning a full human being may not produce an exact replica.

A good of what goes into your make up is life experience.

It could change your looks, it will certainly reconfigure the growth paths in your mind.

But I don't think there is any ethical problem with the idea, indeed in certain cases there could be very good reasons for it

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Some folks believe that there is a genetic predisposition
to conservatism or liberalism.

Mothers have commented upon observation of different personalities
in their babies at very early ages.

David

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Re: Is there anything ethically wrong with cloning humans?

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Qua beauty: many people do not like their looks
for a variety of defects.
I never liked my own looks; if fairly radical structural re-design were possible,
I 'd be interested.
Its a little late, tho.

You could always jump in front of a moving bus David.

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Re: Is there anything ethically wrong with cloning humans?

dadpad wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Qua beauty: many people do not like their looks
for a variety of defects.
I never liked my own looks; if fairly radical structural re-design were possible,
I 'd be interested.
Its a little late, tho.

You could always jump in front of a moving bus David.

WoW !
Hateful; very, very hateful, dadpad.

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David, I truly believe the world would be a better place without your twisted logic.

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No

There is nothing ethically wrong with cloning, only the possible usage of said cloning.

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clones are living breathing sentient beings Finn.

"usage" seems to indicate more of a chattel feeling.

Will clones have the right to self determination.

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dadpad wrote:

clones are living breathing sentient beings Finn.

"usage" seems to indicate more of a chattel feeling.

Will clones have the right to self determination.

If clones do not have the right to self-determination it will be because of the "usage" of cloning.

Clones should have all the rights we placental babes have, and if they are ever to be alowed, it is most likely that they will. It is a dark paranoia indeed that conjures up images of slave clones.

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dadpad wrote:

David, I truly believe the world would be a better place without your twisted logic.

I truly believe that the world wud be a much better place
if everyone in public office agreed with me,
and no one agreed with u about anything.

Can u offer any evidence that your vu
is any better than mine ?
I don 't believe that u can.

The purpose of this forum ( so far as I understand it )
is to set forth competing points of vu
and to reveal flaws in one another 's assertions,
by logical analysis; u have chosen to just sling personal acrimony.

Is that the best u can do ?
If u disagree with me,
then how about using REASON to show how I went rong ?
That wud make u more credible, if your position has merit dadpad.

David

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I find it difficult to argue with mentally handicapped persons.

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dadpad wrote:

I find it difficult to argue with mentally handicapped persons.

Easier just to sling mud, Gracie ?

I am confident that the reason for your difficulty is the paucity
of reason in support of your chosen position.
You can agree only with folks who ASSUME
that u r correct, on a gut feeling emotional level,
which cannot stand up to logical analysis. Right ?

When u r challenged to explain your position,
u feel THREATENED.

Don 't be afraid.
I don 't bite; I only analyse.

David

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