What Is Moral and what is betrayal?

Morality is like following traffic rules while using public roads. The rules are for everyone's benefit.

Where do you guys think this consensus comes from? It's weird that every culture has come up with the same moral basics; don't kill, don't steal, etc. How do you explain this?

Much of it has its basis in evolution; we protect those that are around us because it is likely that share DNA with us, and those genes are more likely to propagate that way.

has it ever occured to anyone society itself could be immoral, well to be honest, it IS immoral, we are destroying the only haven in this entire universe we know for sure harbors this miracle called "life", isnt that a little disturbing?

Society cannot be immoral since it is the font of morality.

There are versions of Society that are warped by immorality, which temporarily sustain social dynamics, but they, inevitably, decay and dissolve.

It is only incredible hubris that gives rise to the admonition that humanity is destroying the only harbor for life in this universe.

Even if we accpet the cosmically parochial notion that earth is the lone source of life in the universe, it is ridiculous to think that we can either destroy or render lifeless our planet. Perhaps someday we will have the technological power to do so, but that time is not now.

This is not the say that we cannot render this world uninhabitable for ourselves, but this is a far cry from destroying all life on earth, and it is something other than immoral. If through the avarice and ignorance of our species we render our species extinct, there may be immorality at the level of individuals, but in a broader sense it is something closer to justice.

i mean society itself exists, to protect itself from society.

No, to the extent that Society exists to protect it protects agains disorder and the warped societies that are, in essence, disorder.

if we didnt have governments, gangs and roving bands of marauders are both forms of it, then we wouldnt have any wars at all.

A feeble argument for anarchy.

Are you suggesting that humanity can flourish or even exist as a myriad of hermits?

its like a self fulfilling prophecy, or the monkey experiment where they get squirted with water when one tries to get food so they attack whoever tries to get the food even if they rotate out all the monkeys until they are all beating monkeys for getting food and none of them get squirted at all.

ok too much typing, humans are dumb end of diwscussion were idiots.

There are self-loathing Americans, self-loathing Jews, self-loathing Whites, self-loathing Southerners, and (among many others) self-loathing Westerners. There are also self-loathing humans.