I think most christians see God as the superset, of which the Universe is a subset.
From a scientific perspective that means that most christians believe in a super-Universe which consists not only of the natural Universe, but also their own imaginations.
Wilders is of course making a film "Fitna". For which Al Qaeda has issued a fatwa calling on all muslims everywhere to try to kill him. The film is not released yet but the Dutch government has already apologised for it, is preparing to close streets around parliament and shop keepers presenting pre emptive claims for lost earnings.
meanwhile when asked what is the main message for non Muslims from his film he says
"Stop being a cultural relativist and be proud of who you are and fight for it especially if, you know these people are not Buddhist...."
Quote:De Volkskrant reports that its website had received more than 8,000 reactions by Monday evening to an advertisement placed on the bottom of its front page the same day condemning the anti-Muslim sentiments of the populist politician Geert Wilders.
The Jew and the Muslim don't exist
Elisabeth Lubotsky, secretary of the youth group of the pro-Israeli Centre for Information and Documentation on Israel, says: "With his simplistic statements Wilders usually stays within the thin line of what can be considered freedom of speech. I also have problems with Wilders' populist tones the nuance is missing. The Jew doesn't exist, nor does the Muslim. If Wilders generalises in such a fashion he's discriminating. Then you should do something about it."
Wilders blijft meestal binnen de dunne scheidslijn, de meeste simplistische uitspraken van hem vallen onder de vrijheid van meningsuiting", aldus Lubotsky. Ik heb óók moeite met de populistische toon van Wilders, van ons mag het allemaal wat genuanceerder. Dé Jood bestaat niet, dé moslim evenmin. Als Wilders zo generaliseert, dan discrimineert hij wel. Dan moet je hem aanpakken."
Well I am constantly perplexed by these sort of issues Walter. I criticise Islamism from a left perspective...or I believe I do...because I see it as conservative in the extreme. But I find myself in agreement with what Wilders says on Islam and find myself bracketed with him as "right wing". Not fair je dit. :wink:
I dont understand how anyone coming from a social democratic left of centre background can have anything but contempt for a misogynistic homophobic backward repressive medieval creed which engenders violence and claims to be in sole possession of the Ultimate Truth and as such claims status as a "religion" worthy of respect.
If someone wants to believe their lives are controlled by mice that live on the far side of the moon, they can. But if they start doing things here on earth which affect me, because "the mice told them", then I am critical of their nonsense beliefs, and frankly I dont care if they find what I have to say offensive.
In a new audio message purportedly from Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaeda leader threatens the EU over the re-printing of cartoons offensive to Muslims.
The taped message appeared on a Islamist website with a still image of bin Laden holding an AK-47.
The voice on it says the cartoons, re-published recently in Danish and other newspapers, were part of a crusade involving Pope Benedict XVI.
The voice has not yet been verified as belonging to bin Laden.
The message comes on the fifth anniversary of the US-led invasion of Iraq.
Last month, Denmark's leading newspapers reprinted cartoons that first angered many Muslims when they were originally published in 2006.
One of the drawings shows the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb in his turban.
The only one who kept a clear head in this brewing climate of acute fear, preventive adjustment and growing violence was Wilders himself. He called upon Dutch television networks to broadcast his film in its entirety and without having seen it first, which they, of course, rejected. Then Nieuwspoort International Press Center in The Hague agreed to show the film in late March, in connection with a press conference, if Wilders would assume the costs of security for people and property. It was a generous offer, but tantamount to a rejection.
All this leaves Wilders is the Internet -- unless, of course, he decides not to show the film, which no one has seen and of which no one can say whether it even exists. The truth is that the "provocateur" has already achieved his goal. Wilders has managed to portray the Dutch and the Europeans as cowards, shouting "we capitulate!" before the battle has even begun.
As he sees it, they are loath to intervene in Iran's internal affairs but raise no objections when Iran intervenes in their internal affairs. They behave as if they want to protect the members of all religions against insults and abuse, all the while overlooking the fact that it is usually the members of one religion who respond aggressively whenever they are accused of having a propensity for violence.
Wilders could not have achieved more if his film had been shown.
It may be true that Wilders has made his point without even showing his film. But if some Muslims react violently because they think they might be offended by a film that they have not seen, where does the fault lie?
Web host suspends site planned for anti-Koran film
23 Mar 2008 01:27:50 GMT
AMSTERDAM, March 23 (Reuters) - A U.S.-based web service, which Islam critic and Dutch right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders planned to use to show his film critical of the Koran, said on Saturday that it had inactivated the site due to complaints.
This site has been suspended while Network Solutions is investigating whether the site's content is in violation of the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy," the company said on the site www.fitnathemovie.com.
Wilders, who has given few details about his 15-minute film, has said he plans to release 'Fitna' on the Internet before the end of the month after Dutch broadcasters declined to show it. Fitna is a Koranic term sometimes translated as "strife".
Wilders still plans to show his film despite the setback, Dutch agency ANP reported.
"If need be, I will personally distribute DVDs in the Dam," ANP quoted him as saying. The Dam is the central square in Amsterdam, popular with both the Dutch and tourists.
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The Web site for an anti-Koran film being made by Dutch right-wing lawkmaker Geert Wilders was suspended by its US hosting service over the weekend. But a far-right party in the Czech Republic has offered to screen it if Wilders can't find another outlet.
A far-right political party in the Czech Republic has offered to show a Dutch lawmaker's anti-Koran film if it is banned in the Netherlands.
The offer came after a US Internet hosting service suspended the Web site promoting "Fitna," the 15-minute film far-right politician Geert Wilders says he is making, on Saturday.
In the Netherlands, where Wilders leads the reactionary Freedom Party, the film has sparked demonstrations even before its release. Thousands demonstrated in central Amsterdam against the film on Saturday in a protest intended to show that Wilders does not represent the whole country.