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VULGARITY OF WEALTH ?

 
 
Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 12:43 pm
By what reasoning is possession of wealth deemed " vulgar " ?

I can c where u might not wish to allow it to be known,
inasmuch as that evokes folks ( including the IRS ) hitting u up for free cash--
that addresses the WISDOM of displaying your wealth--
but HOW does it become an issue of good taste to conceal it ?

David
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contrex
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 01:10 pm
I can see how the question might be a baffling one for an American. Let's just say that what constitutes good taste has not much to do with "reason". Going about in a Ferrari with 14 lbs of gold hanging off your sun-bed-tanned body may seem the heights of sophistication to some people, it may make other people think you are a dick with a small weinie. (And no, it's not because of jealousy).
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 01:47 pm
contrex wrote:
I can see how the question might be a baffling one for an American. Let's just say that what constitutes good taste has not much to do with "reason". Going about in a Ferrari with 14 lbs of gold hanging off your sun-bed-tanned body may seem the heights of sophistication to some people,

it may make other people think you are a dick with a small weinie.

Can u express your meaning
with less symbolism
and greater specificity of fact ?

so as to be more comprehensible ?

WHAT is the subject matter of the objection ?

Shud no one use a Ferrari ?




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(And no, it's not because of jealousy).

What IS it because of ?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 05:50 pm
Interesting question.

I don't think it's so much the "possession" of wealth but the "display" of wealth that can become vulgar.

I'm not really sure why/when/how the line is crossed into vulgar; I'll have to think on that. It could have something to do with the accumulation of things just as things and not because they serve any specific function or interest in the person's life.

I'll be reading along with interest.....
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 09:15 pm
boomerang wrote:



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Interesting question.

Thank u; I try.



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I don't think it's so much the "possession" of wealth
but the "display" of wealth that can become vulgar.

I get that impression,
obliquely, contextually, by way of vague connotation,
never specific, well defined denotation.



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I'm not really sure why/when/how the line is crossed into vulgar;
I'll have to think on that.

I 'll look forward to it.
I am interested in your opinion.





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It could have something to do with the accumulation of things
just as things and not because they serve any specific function or interest in the person's life.

Some years ago,
Donald Trump had a well appointed, lavish new yacht anchored in NY Harbor.

It received much public attention and comment in the media.
A cartoon showed a character saying something like, approximately:
" Its not often that you see vulgarity displayed on such a scale. "
I wondered about the mental processes that generated that utterance.
I still wonder about it,
and I hope that my fellow citizens of this forum will explain it to me.


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I'll be reading along with interest.....

Me too.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 11:49 pm
For many people there is an ascetic consideration to the display of wealth. There is also an element of either pride, humility, or non-chalance involved in any display of wealth.

My guess is that expensive items that show poor ascetic taste combined with pride in said taste can be viewed as vulgar.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 01:43 am
vikorr wrote:


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For many people there is an ascetic consideration to the display of wealth.

I see.
U raise a very interesting point, Vik.

Hedonist that I am,
that had not occurred to me.
Some folks believe in self-denial
and seeing the rejection of their ideal,
thay r offended ????

By complaining about said " vulgarity "
do thay imply, or assume, that we all shud, or that we all DO, accept
their ascetic philosophy of self-denial ?





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There is also an element of either pride, humility,
or non-chalance involved in any display of wealth.

Does that mean that thay believe in
a duty to be HUMBLE ?
and that thay r offended by the rejection of that duty
that is demonstrated in openly living in luxury ?

Like I remember one of my tenants
remarking: " Hay, David, u r taking pretty good care of yourself there "
referring to some of my hedonistic vacations.

Once, a complete stranger in midtown Manhattan
said to me: " U look like a million bucks " apparently referring to my attire,
as I passed him in the street.
I wonder whether that was a COMPLAINT.

A few years ago, at a social gathering,
a young lady ( who I 'd met about 3 minutes before ) told me that my financial investment
in my clothing ( a custom tailored vested suit ) cud have been donated to the poor.
I responded with something generally along the lines of:
" screw the poor; what good do thay do ME ? "




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My guess is that expensive items that show poor ascetic taste
combined with pride in said taste can be viewed as vulgar.

Does this tell us that the origin of the objection
( expressed in complaints of " vulgarity " )
is in the clash of 2 incompatible points of vu ?

A clash between hedonism and asceticism ?

David





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vikorr
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 03:39 am
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Some folks believe in self-denial
and seeing the rejection of their ideal,
thay r offended ????


Hmmm, for some I'm sure that would be true, though I think perhaps I used the wrong word. Self denial is probably too strong a word for Western Society as it is today. There's a place between ascetism (in the form of simpleness) and beauty, that can be achieved even with great wealth. Simple and Refined perhaps?


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Does that mean that thay believe in
a duty to be HUMBLE ?


So long as you are rich, or successful, that would appear to be the case (especially in Australia) even though for most in western society that is rather hypocritical.

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A clash between hedonism and asceticism ?


Yes, that'd definitely exist, though I think that would be the extreme version. So that wouldn't be completely it. I think a lot of people aren't worried that others are rich so long as they (the rich) don't think they are better than them (the poor or not so rich), or they don't rub their faces in itÂ…how that translates into what people find as vulgar wealth may be up to each individual person.

Anyway, these are just guesses from how I've seen people react. I'm not too worried how much wealth others have, so the only thing I've ever found to be vulgar wealth is things I find rather unattractive (money doesn't always buy beauty), whether physical or physcological.

Perhaps people find vulgarity in something that says "Look at me. See how good I am"
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Tue 9 Oct, 2007 06:49 am
only idiotic humans would waste their entire lives collecting "paper" to buy a yellowish metal.

The ferarri i can understand Smile

Anyways...

If you see a display of wealth as vulgar, you are admitting they have wealth to display in the first place.(unless they are faking it )

Wealth = money = power = pussy

people who care about anothers display of wealth, therefore are jealous they do not have the same sexual options available to them. otherwise they would not care at all. except maybe on a "why dont you give to the poor?" level. but , seriously life isnt fair, so that point is sorta moot...
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Wy
 
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Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2007 02:48 pm
A gratuitous display of wealth is vulgar in the same way as eating a feast in front of starving people is vulgar. It points out quite clearly that you have no interest in the needs of others, that you are not interested in anything but yourself.

That being said, there is no reason why a wealthy person shouldn't look for high quality, even luxury, in the things they purchase. What's vulgar is flaunting wealth, not having it.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 16 Oct, 2007 08:42 pm
Wy wrote:
A gratuitous display of wealth is vulgar in the same way as eating a feast in front of starving people is vulgar.
It points out quite clearly that you have no interest in the needs of others,
that you are not interested in anything but yourself.

That being said,
there is no reason why a wealthy person shouldn't look for high quality,
even luxury, in the things they purchase.
What's vulgar is flaunting wealth, not having it.

Thank u for a very interesting, astute analysis !
David
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